Losing faith in America: Study shows decline in religion, rise in atheism
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96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
Believe it or not, there are many Christians/Believers that take on the mindset of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who didn't waste His time on a lot of folks. The Holy Bible tells often of how Jesus & His disciples traveled from town to town; they never stayed in one place. He even told His disciples to go out disciple. He instructed them to bless the house that received, and to also shake the dust off their sandals as they departed from the houses who did not receive. The Pauline Letters tell how Paul traveled; Peter & Timothy as well. They traveled everywhere, spreading the Good News to one town, and went on to the next.
It's the same with a lot of us Believers/Christians, which is why its called an "Invitation" to Discipleship. It ultimately goes back on how bad the person wants God. We offer Christ; we don't force Him on anyone. Whoever wants Him, we take time to nurture and teach & disciple them. Whoever does not, we move on to the next soul.
Rated R Superstar
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I've seen and heard about a lot of folks get ostracized for choosing to not believe in the Christian god or practice the Christian faith.
One of my buddies went to observe a Muslim Day held at the state Capitol earlier this year.
And there were a bunch of so-called Christians there protesting. He said they were saying and shouting the most hateful things at those people, saying they were going to Hell, evil, God hates them, etc.
Even in our churches, we'd are quick to treat our own people the same way. Calling them abominations, shaming them or worse for not accepting the invitation after the preacher pleads with the congregation to join the church over music that is played specifically to alter the mood in the building.
And we wonder why folks do not want to be associated with that.
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bigmanofds
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Wait for it. . .wait for it. . .my church is not like that.
bigmanofds
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. . Or everybody's religious practices are not inline with the true God
It always the same apologist rhetoric
It always the same apologist rhetoric
bernard
THEE Realist
People want speak, they act a fool, but on Sunday you see them carrying this book and going to church? Hey, isn't this the America way? Mr. Charlie taught us to act this way.
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Blacknbengal
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And who taught you all to act like animals?
bigmanofds
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This book. . .
A book that’s a 15th century man-made device . . . a man-made device like a cell phone, a computer, or a television.
Before the invention of the printing press, information in all Bibles came from copies of handwritten materials many centuries after the fact. In order to get copies you couldn’t take it to a copy machine. Somebody had to hand right a copy every time (in the days of Jesus only few people knew how to write especially in Greek) which was a long and laborious process. Errors and variations were made. Some were made accidently but some were intentional by Monarchs with an agenda (King James). There are over 25,000 different New Testament manuscripts in the world with 400,000 different variations. There are more variations than manuscripts so nobody really knows if any bible is the original work or not. There oldest New Testament manuscript is a fragment known as Ryland Library Papyrus P52 approximant dates 117-138 A.D. and it’s the size of a credit card and written in Greek. The rest are dated after the 9th century so there could be more than 400,000 variations. But this is the book that cannot be challenged.
A book that’s a 15th century man-made device . . . a man-made device like a cell phone, a computer, or a television.
Before the invention of the printing press, information in all Bibles came from copies of handwritten materials many centuries after the fact. In order to get copies you couldn’t take it to a copy machine. Somebody had to hand right a copy every time (in the days of Jesus only few people knew how to write especially in Greek) which was a long and laborious process. Errors and variations were made. Some were made accidently but some were intentional by Monarchs with an agenda (King James). There are over 25,000 different New Testament manuscripts in the world with 400,000 different variations. There are more variations than manuscripts so nobody really knows if any bible is the original work or not. There oldest New Testament manuscript is a fragment known as Ryland Library Papyrus P52 approximant dates 117-138 A.D. and it’s the size of a credit card and written in Greek. The rest are dated after the 9th century so there could be more than 400,000 variations. But this is the book that cannot be challenged.
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unknown1
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Using the Bible as a point of reference to discuss Christianity is why I don't even bother. I just find it hilarious, and always will find it hilarious that black folk in the US are by far the most deeply entrenched in Christianity. But these same folks will turn around and blame "the man" for everything that goes wrong here. Then when you point out the origins of why they practice it to begin with, they'll go dig up something from 50,000 years ago that showed there were some "Egyptians" that practiced it, even though it still was nowhere near the most dominant religion in that area... nor was that the reason they practice it now. Even more ironic is, the area where black folk are the most crucial about it, out of all places, is the south. You just can't make this up lol
bernard
THEE Realist
You tell me, it wasn't Dr, Doolittle, you know he could talk to the animals? Did you know you all includes you, me, they and them?
J C
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King James correspondence indicates he was a homosexual.
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
Interesting conversation ...
Personally, I believe being a Christian isn't a title ... it's an action verb. I simply believe being a Christian is a daily task to live the next day better than the previous day, yanno. Helping people daily as much as you can. Treating folk as you want to be treated. Maybe that's too pie-in-the-sky.
I have a question, based on the concept of "walking in/like Christ"
Can you still live that life without attending mass/service? How can you stay on the path and block out the foolishness you get from the periphery of church life (gossip, etc.)?
BTW: I thought Sam and Dean Winchester put Lucifer back in the pit
Personally, I believe being a Christian isn't a title ... it's an action verb. I simply believe being a Christian is a daily task to live the next day better than the previous day, yanno. Helping people daily as much as you can. Treating folk as you want to be treated. Maybe that's too pie-in-the-sky.
I have a question, based on the concept of "walking in/like Christ"
Can you still live that life without attending mass/service? How can you stay on the path and block out the foolishness you get from the periphery of church life (gossip, etc.)?
BTW: I thought Sam and Dean Winchester put Lucifer back in the pit
Tiger1
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Interesting conversation ...
Personally, I believe being a Christian isn't a title ... it's an action verb. I simply believe being a Christian is a daily task to live the next day better than the previous day, yanno. Helping people daily as much as you can. Treating folk as you want to be treated. Maybe that's too pie-in-the-sky.
I have a question, based on the concept of "walking in/like Christ"
Can you still live that life without attending mass/service? How can you stay on the path and block out the foolishness you get from the periphery of church life (gossip, etc.)?
BTW: I thought Sam and Dean Winchester put Lucifer back in the pit
Hebrews 10:25(KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hebrews 10:25(CEB)
25 Don’t stop meeting together with other believers, which some people have gotten into the habit of doing. Instead, encourage each other, especially as you see the day drawing near.
Were saved by grace through faith. (Eph. 2:8) Grace is what God does for us independent of us. His work has nothing to do with us or it wouldn't be grace. Therefore we didn't earn it. We didn't merit it. Grace is something that is done by God before we ever have a problem. It's done independent of us or independent of anything we deserve.
Faith is just our positive response to what God has already accomplished by grace. It's how we appropriate and receive what God has already provided.
There is no perfect church and IF there was one, YOU would mess it up! (Translation - no perfect church, no perfect people)
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chocalate_topaz
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If you are a TRUE Christian and yet your assemblage is with folks that are PLAY Christians, are you really fulfilling the "assembling of ourselves together" component? ;;To me, that whole assemblage thing is why so many folks believe they can do whatever they want yet come 11am on Sunday morning, just the action of sliding into that pew saves their soul and makes them loads better than the person keeping to themselves and not attending church.
Lots of whoring, fornicating, adultery, stealing, lying, coveting, disrespect INSIDE the church walls...new trend of sacrificing the one speaking out against the wrongness, instead of facing the issue esp within leadership (Passa)
We can go back and forth ad nauseum, but we each have to live our lives, create the walk we want with who we believe is our God and eternity will be ours or not. I've long wiped the dust from my feet of what folks think. If my life doesn't get me into Heaven, it just doesn't....no outside opinions needed....
Lots of whoring, fornicating, adultery, stealing, lying, coveting, disrespect INSIDE the church walls...new trend of sacrificing the one speaking out against the wrongness, instead of facing the issue esp within leadership (Passa)
We can go back and forth ad nauseum, but we each have to live our lives, create the walk we want with who we believe is our God and eternity will be ours or not. I've long wiped the dust from my feet of what folks think. If my life doesn't get me into Heaven, it just doesn't....no outside opinions needed....
Tiger1
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I understand where you are coming from but at the end of the day I can't worry about or babysit other folk and their decisions.(Love them and release them)
It's a 24 hour job doing me and dealing with my issues.
The bible says our righteousness are as filthy rags. (Isaiah 64:6)
I'm also tracking on the whoring, fornicating, stealing, lying, coveting but I believe we as believers do not go to hell because of our sins but because we reject the payment for our sins which is Jesus Christ.
So those very same Christians that put their mouths on other folk are sinning. Those same Christians go to these buffets & are eating the whole house up; weighing 300/400 lbs are sinning. Those same Christians who run a red light are they not sinning? Those same Christians are probably not praying and reading like they are suppose to either (See response on Grace & Faith)
A lot of those same Christians have religion and relationship twisted because of tradition and it's messing up a lot of folk.
Love will be a greater motivation to serve God than fear ever was. Fear has torment. (1 John 4:18) Many Christians are tormented in their relationship with God thinking, I have to do all these things in order for God to love me & unfortunately that is how religion has presented God.
If God loved you enough to die for you while you were an absolute enemy of the cross, how much more does He love you now that you're just His imperfect child?
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levarg
The Elite BRAVE
Because not believing in God gives them justification to live in sin and feel no conviction about it. The devil is leading them and they are to blind to realize it. But there is good news one day every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess the Jesus Christ is Lord.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
Yes it is and this is as well as what the Supreme Court is about to do. This will pave the way for Christian persecution in America.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
The devil don't care you denounce him his goal it to get you away from Christ Jesus. Satan knows he is going to the lake of fire forever and he will have people believe all kinds of made up doctrine and philosophies made by man just to get peril to go the lake of fire with him but when that man dies he philosophy dies with him but God word last forever. Sister come to God and Jesus Christ turn from these fables the leads nowhere and you and your house and children will be saved.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
Your salvation is my worry I don't want no one to go to hell not even my own enemy. Please, I believe God is knocking on the door of your heart just let him in.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
The pedophile knuckle dragging white man taught them.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
The Lord Jesus Christ is real I confess him and believe God sent him to free us from the bondage of sin and Death. For the bible say Death where is your sting, Grave where is your victory. The Lord got up on the third day with all power in his hands and though the tide of evil seems to be winning the gates of hell still have no chance of defeating my God. He has all power and is mighty.He is the Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. The everlasting father and the precious prince of peace. Before the foundation of this world was made he already loved me!! Praise be to his name forever and ever!!! AMEN!!! And glory to his name forever! This joy I have the world can never take away God is still on the throne and I know it because his spirit is with me everyday!!!
J C
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Your narrow view on this issue may be driving people away from the church. Most Americans believe in the separation of church and state. I don't get the persecution part. Lol...the discriminator is the persecuted. The Supreme Court ruling sanctioning same sex marriage has no affect on my relationship with Jesus.
bigmanofds
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“Justification to live in sin?” I wish you would explain that one, because what it means to me I can say the same thing about Christians. REAL history has shown Christians will do whatever, to whomever, and whenever without any regrets especially if you contradict the generally accepted cherry picked standards (sin) of that particular Christian group. Christianity is a system with an escape clause, a loophole, the concept of being “forgiven” for whatever you do . . . again as long as it’s in the confines of that particular group.
Christianity is a cowardly system because you don’t have to do anything uncomfortable as showing atonement to people you’ve done wrong. Nope, just say I’m sorry to your sky daddy thinking he will straighten out your mess for you and keep it moving. You don’t even have to care if your transgressions towards another gets fix or not. As long as you can keep the elitist attitude and the promise of getting accepted to the ultimate social club known as “Heaven,” you don’t have to be responsible for your actions. You can hurt as many people as you want just as long you attend a building 4 times a month. The Christian way is not to ask God for some money, you go steal it from somebody else and ask God to forgive you. But that not a justification for sin . . . please.
I refused to believe there is a so-called supreme being that would be all right with this. If so, there is nothing supreme about this being.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
What? Really this is the rhetoric the gay activist have been pushing and you falling for it. And it boils down to one thing your are equating someone race or gender or disability to someone behavior and lifestyle they choose. Marriage in God's plan is between a man and a woman in fact if your really had a relationship with Jesus you know he declared it when he said "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said "therefore a MAN shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his WIFE and the two shall become one flesh. Notice he didn't check to see if it was ok with you on anyone else to see if it you agree with it. But your are the lukewarm Christian that wants it both ways in the but of revelation Jesus said people like that make him want to vomit. If you want the worlds way say so but if you want God's way then stand for him and believe what he said.
I will tell you how the persecution start as soon as this law passed the gay activist will demand that if any church that refuse the marry two men or two women shall have their tax exempt status stripped unless we bow to their agenda, people like myself who don't approve of it will be call bigot and I can even lose my business if I don't allow gays to do things in my business I don't believe in, children as young as 6 will have to be force the learn about homosexuality shrouded in a bogus anti bully program and if I a a parent oppose to it I will go to jail.
We live in a sad world we are celebrating what should be condemned and condemning what should be celebrated. It now cute to see men prancing around like women. It's ok to have a baby mama on every block and don't take care of your kids. It wonderful the cheat on your wife and leave her for a side chick. It also ok for women do the same. But when a person save him or herself for marriage or live according to Gods way now we have a problem. The coming of Christ is near you say you are close to him you need to reevaluate that I pray God give you his holy sprit to give you the boldness to say what thus say The Lord regardless what people think about it.
levarg
The Elite BRAVE
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Sure I will explain it. You by Conscience know what's right and wrong but you suppress it and fill your mind with lies to fulfill your immoral desires. Then you ridicule Christians because the truth they preach conflict to your wild ways it disturb you it angers you to be told what right and you make statements like this to convince yourself you are right and everyone else is living like animals then it must be ok. You need signs or some proof that God exits so you test him by attacking people of faith and doing ungodly things thinking if God is real why won't he do something about it. But he already has when he turned you over to a reprobate mind to do what is convenient to you.
Sure I will explain it. You by Conscience know what's right and wrong but you suppress it and fill your mind with lies to fulfill your immoral desires. Then you ridicule Christians because the truth they preach conflict to your wild ways it disturb you it angers you to be told what right and you make statements like this to convince yourself you are right and everyone else is living like animals then it must be ok. You need signs or some proof that God exits so you test him by attacking people of faith and doing ungodly things thinking if God is real why won't he do something about it. But he already has when he turned you over to a reprobate mind to do what is convenient to you.
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