Did Stephen A. Smith cross the line?


A lot of women are wary of men to begin with, and understand how vulnerable they are. I'd think they understand that concept very well.
 
Bethel II booted for punch to Battle
Updated: June 29, 2014, 6:33 PM ET
By Max Olson | ESPN.com

Texas Tech has dismissed cornerback Nigel Bethel II following an incident during an on-campus basketball game on Saturday.

Bethel, a freshman from Miami, punched Texas Tech women's basketball player Amber Battle in the face during a pickup basketball game.

"Texas Tech Athletics has a zero tolerance policy on this type of behavior," the school announced in a statement.

According to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Battle is expected to have surgery after sustaining a broken bone from the hit. Battle was the Red Raiders' leading scorer with 16.4 points per game last season, and also led the team in rebounds and assists to earn second-team All-Big 12 honors.

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Texas Tech suspends Amber Battle
Updated: July 4, 2014, 5:33 PM ET
ESPN.com news services

LUBBOCK, Texas -- Texas Tech guard Amber Battle has been suspended for a month after admitting to having "initiated the first contact" in a fight with a football player at the university's recreation center, it was announced Friday.

Texas Tech said that Battle, a senior, is "suspended from competition for the entire month of November" for her role in the fight with freshman defensive back Nigel Bethel II during a pickup basketball game last weekend.

"During a pickup basketball game on June 28, I was involved in an incident with Texas Tech football player Nigel Bethel," Battle said in a statement. "I initiated the first contact and I take full responsibility for my actions. I want to take this time to apologize to Nigel, the Texas Tech community, my teammates, coaches and fans.

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Texas Tech reinstates Nigel Bethel II
Updated: July 17, 2014, 12:40 AM ET
By Max Olson | ESPN.com

Nigel Bethel II has been reinstated by Texas Tech, less than three weeks after he was dismissed for punching Red Raiders women's basketball player Amber Battle.

The freshman cornerback from Miami will return to Lubbock, Texas, and rejoin the program but will be suspended for Texas Tech's first three games, the school announced Wednesday.

"This is an unfortunate situation with a unique set of circumstances and there are no winners," Texas Tech athletic director Kirby Hocutt said in a statement. "Every decision related to this case has been the right one at that particular time based upon our principles, student-athlete code of conduct and team rules.

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Kendrick said:
A lot of women are wary of men to begin with, and understand how vulnerable they are. I'd think they understand that concept very well.
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Kendrick, you make a lot of sense on here at times...and I could be wrong...but I have the feeling you've never seen a woman challenge a man in person
 
southsuburbs said:
Really?! A lot of women don't understand that concept? How many? Have you taken a poll of female domestic abuse victims and found that most of those women didn't understand that concept? Did you speak with female victims hiding in a shelter from their abuser and found that most of those women didn't understand that concept?!

What number/percentage = "a lot of women"?!
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You speaking with your emotions...BTW, go look at the Amber Battle footage, and then come back
 
FAM4lyfe said:
You speaking with your emotions...BTW, go look at the Amber Battle footage, and then come back
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It goes back to their upbringing. I saw a video on YouTube a few months ago of these kids in high school. The girl all up in the guy's face provoking him cussing at him and she eventually started beating the hell out of him.
 
FAM4lyfe said:
You speaking with your emotions...BTW, go look at the Amber Battle footage, and then come back
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You're speaking with ignorance...

http://abc7chicago.com/sports/texas-tech-suspends-amber-battle/156843/

Okay...so you mention a case where the woman was the abuser. She was punished. Great. That's what is supposed to happen. What's your point?! :noidea: And it would be wrong for someone to say he provoked Amber. :tup:

I'm not ignorant to think there aren't cases where women are the aggressors and men are the victims. Never said that... I've seen it first hand. I've volunteered. I've done the training. I've listened to the victims share their stories...both men and women. I realize it's a fugged up system all the way around because it doesn't truly protect the victim and it doesn't truly look at men as victims.


But yeah...again...still waiting on those numbers/percentages that back up your asinine statement of "a lot of women"...
 
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FAM4lyfe said:
Kendrick, you make a lot of sense on here at times...and I could be wrong...but I have the feeling you've never seen a woman challenge a man in person
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I've seen my mom do it back in the day.

However, that doesn't mean a lot of women don't understand the concept of that engaging in physical confrontation could lead to certain negatives outcomes, though.

A lot of cats bristle up and get defensive as it relates to domestic violence because they feel they're being attacked unfairly. But, when you look at the numbers and the studies that indicate black women die due to the violence of men more than anything else or sexual assault and rape numbers that show 70 percent of victims are attacked by someone they know or examine street harassment, you'd see why men are often not given the benefit of the doubt.

And in the majority of these cases women and girls did not provoke a man through violent actions. So, you'd see why women would take umbrage with SAS's comments and the comments made by other men as it relates to this topic. A lot of guys don't understand how vulnerable women and girls are. They just don't.
 
PsychoJag said:
It goes back to their upbringing. I saw a video on YouTube a few months ago of these kids in high school. The girl all up in the guy's face provoking him cussing at him and she eventually started beating the hell out of him.
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Exactly...my homeboys ex-GF pulled out a knife on me and his roommate a few years ago in two separate incidents when we were in college. But I wouldn've been in jail or labeled a woman beater had I hit her. I walked away from this chick when she was screaming, yelling, poking me in the head an all that good stuff...I walked away...she grabs the sharpest knife she could find and throws it at my back as I'm exiting the apartment...thank God it didn't hit me

Then she threatened to kill his roommate while holding a knife

Not to mention how she would spaz out throw stuff and push my homeboy when she didn't get her way.

Which is why when I say I don't condone violence against women, I mean it, as I was able to control myself, but in these situations, the woman tried to provoke a reaction through violence...but of course people only see the Ike Turner beating Tina situation
 
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southsuburbs said:
You're speaking with ignorance...

http://abc7chicago.com/sports/texas-tech-suspends-amber-battle/156843/

Okay...so you mention a case where the woman was the abuser. She was punished. Great. That's what is supposed to happen. What's your point?! :noidea: And it would be wrong for someone to say he provoked Amber. :tup:

I'm not ignorant to think there aren't cases where women are the aggressors and men are the victims. Never said that... I've seen it first hand. I've volunteered. I've done the training. I've listened to the victims share their stories...both men and women. I realize it's a fugged up system all the way around because it doesn't truly protect the victim and it doesn't truly look at men as victims.


But yeah...again...still waiting on those numbers/percentages that back up your asinine statement of "a lot of women"...
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Ignorance she says...laughable
 
Steven A. Smith c00ns it up dissing black men? Fine. No problem.

Steven A. Smith tells women not to strike men? Problem. Big problem.

They even made this jokers apologize. :shame:
 
Kendrick said:
I've seen my mom do it back in the day.

However, that doesn't mean a lot of women don't understand the concept of that engaging in physical confrontation could lead to certain negatives outcomes, though.

A lot of cats bristle up and get defensive as it relates to domestic violence because they feel they're being attacked unfairly. But, when you look at the numbers and the studies that indicate black women die due to the violence of men more than anything else or sexual assault and rape numbers that show 70 percent of victims are attacked by someone they know or examine street harassment, you'd see why men are often not given the benefit of the doubt.

And in the majority of these cases women and girls did not provoke a man through violent actions. So, you'd see why women would take umbrage with SAS's comments and the comments made by other men as it relates to this topic. A lot of guys don't understand how vulnerable women and girls are. They just don't.
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I hear you Kendrick, I really do
 
FAM4lyfe said:
He still didn't say anything "wrong"...HOWEVER, the interpretation is where people get crossed, and I can understand people being a little miffed about that.

But we, as brothers who have seen women be aggressors in situation in person, knew EXACTLY what Stephen A. Smith
meant. Again, let's look at the Texas Tech(which I JUST saw the video for), this chick threw a punch at the young man, and although he shouldn't have hit her back, she initiated and escalated the situation and got this kid kicked out of school

This is what Stephen A. Smith essentially meant don't provoke or escalate a situation through violent or physical contact on anybody. A lot of women don't understand this concept. Some women truly believe that they can lay hands on any dude and it's ok. The general consensu is that no matter what a woman does physically, she's protected because she's a woman...and with some dudes, that is not the case
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Y'all need to listen to SS on this one.

Societies have to respect women folks...they are the cradle of civilization. Take a look at countries that treat their women like **** and see if you'd want to live their.

Just saw a story a couple of nights ago where a woman got shot three times in the face and her nephew (I think) got killed by her ex while she was at a kid's party. What did she do to provoke that?

Stephen needs to work in a battered women's shelter before he starts pontificating on domestic violence.
 
Those studies always take the women side. She can raise all heck beat you up then call the cops and they arrest you. Even if you don't touch her so studies are just that studies. But you constantly see women beating other women senseless and hitting on men. These are different times folks. Women feel they can go toe to toe with Men in every aspect of life even fighting. Just walk away in some case won't work. I can but if your cornered, in a car, sleep etc you got to do what you got to do to survive. Forensic files shows plenty women killers.... Just saying...
 
Here are one woman's comments.

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Whoopi Goldberg Defends Stephen A. Smith's Controversial Comments On Domestic Violence

Posted: 07/28/2014 5:36 pm EDT Updated: 07/28/2014 5:59 pm EDT

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Whoopi Defends Stephen A. Smith: If You Hit a Man, Don’t Be Surprised if He Hits Back
by Josh Feldman | 3:00 pm, July 28th, 2014

ESPN host Stephen A. Smith apologized today for his comments about domestic violence, but he also found a defender today in Whoopi Goldberg, who went off on The View today agreeing with the point he was making. Goldberg said that if a woman hits a man and then he hits back, she shouldn’t be surprised by it.

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MetroPhillyTiger said:
Y'all need to listen to SS on this one.

Societies have to respect women folks...they are the cradle of civilization. Take a look at countries that treat their women like **** and see if you'd want to live their.

Just saw a story a couple of nights ago where a woman got shot three times in the face and her nephew (I think) got killed by her ex while she was at a kid's party. What did she do to provoke that?

Stephen needs to work in a battered women's shelter before he starts pontificating on domestic violence.
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You're talking about gun violence though? Is it domestic abuse, yes...but we know that's not what Stephen A. smith wasn't talking about that...which goes back to my post about interpretation
 
FAM4lyfe said:
Exactly...my homeboys ex-GF pulled out a knife on me and his roommate a few years ago in two separate incidents when we were in college. But I wouldn've been in jail or labeled a woman beater had I hit her. I walked away from this chick when she was screaming, yelling, poking me in the head an all that good stuff...I walked away...she grabs the sharpest knife she could find and throws it at my back as I'm exiting the apartment...thank God it didn't hit me

Then she threatened to kill his roommate while holding a knife

Not to mention how she would spaz out throw stuff and push my homeboy when she didn't get her way.

Which is why when I say I don't condone violence against women, I mean it, as I was able to control myself, but in these situations, the woman tried to provoke a reaction through violence...but of course people only see the Ike Turner beating Tina situation
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I was more so responding to another post but yeah...we got all kinds of crazy folks out there. You seem to be describing self defense. If your life is in danger then you're within your rights to defend yourself...I would suspect (check with your local DA...they might lock you and your ex's GF up for something).

Stephen sounded like he was saying if one of his female relatives was being or about to be abused, he'd go get his boys and do some damage or something. And to keep the abuse from happening...he'd tell his relatives not provoke their men to violence. Sounds okay on the surface but like it was said earlier...who knows what provokes someone. The guy's team could have just lost a game or something and he's coming home all pissed.
 
Yeah he used the word "provoke" but anyone with sense knew he meant "don't hit anyone expecting not to be hit".
 
Black women are more screwed up then anyone else. Now y'all see why Becky is the wife for these brothers......
 
JSU/99 said:
What does that mean?
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People become more sensitive over certain things and we are seeing overblown public outrage over misconstrued statements. A NFL player was suspended this year because he tweeted out horrible after seeing the Michael Sam kiss.
 
jsupop33 said:
People become more sensitive over certain things and we are seeing overblown public outrage over misconstrued statements. A NFL player was suspended this year because he tweeted out horrible after seeing the Michael Sam kiss.
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Understandably so.

I don't see how hard it is for people to understand that there are potential consequences for things you say, especially when you represent an organization or company.
 
Kendrick said:
Understandably so.

I don't see how hard it is for people to understand that there are potential consequences for things you say, especially when you represent an organization or company.
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I do understand it that does not mean I agree with it or the direction that we are moving in. I fundamentally believe people have a freedom to speak their mind. I put the Stephen A. Smith and the football player who tweeted about Sam or Donald Sterling in different categories. I believe what Sterling said was foul as hell but he was speaking in his own home on his own time. As much as I may not like what he says, he has the right to spew those opinions and it shouldn't impact his ability to own a business. The same thing with that nfl player, he tweeted something from his private account that should have had no bearing on his employment.

The only thing I can say about Stephen A. Smith's comments is that they were made on company time so he probably should face a little more scrutiny. These crocodile tears from these feminist nazi's trying to slay him though, I ain't buying them. People are far, far, far too sensitive and have gotten to the point where we are trying to regulate people's speech.
 
jsupop33 said:
People become more sensitive over certain things and we are seeing overblown public outrage over misconstrued statements. A NFL player was suspended this year because he tweeted out horrible after seeing the Michael Sam kiss.
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I wouldn't say people are becoming more sensitive - its more like we are now more aware of "others". Everything gets overblown because of social media, 24 hr news, etc. We know everything now and comment on it. And the new media is less about information more about opinion. Everyone has an opinion on something and that'll get u in trouble.

Also, Homosexuals have been around forever but largely in the closet. Now they're out the closet and we are forced to deal with all that comes from that.
 
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