60 million dollar stadium shut down


JAG89 said:
You are right. There are several things that could have caused the cracks, but they definitely need to hire a forensic engineer that specialize in structural design. Most Structural Engineers were Civil Engineers first, which is what most railroad and bridge engineers are. Civil engineering is the broader discipline for structural, environmental, transportation, water and wastewater engineering, with railroad engineering being a part of transportation and bridge engineering being a part of structural.
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Time have changed, back in the day if you were a CE, ME, AE or EE that was your profession. When I was in school there were no computers, just a drawing board, T-Square, engineering rule; templates; number 2 or 4 pencil and Slide Rule.

One of the local colleges have a program where an individual can earn a degree in concrete engineering.
 



JAG89 said:
I see you are still trying to defend the contractor. Improper storm water drainage could result from a bad grading plan design or the site was not properly graded. The best way to determine who's at fault concerning the grades, all one has to do is take a few spot elevations and match them to the proposed design elevations/grades. If the spot elevations match, then the grading plan design was flawed, but if they don't match, then someone (contractor) didn't properly grade the site.

Also, with you being a contractor, you should know that water can cause a problem by eroding away any compacted soil beneath a structure. And you keep bring up piles as if this stadium was built in New Orleans, where damn near every part of a structure is built on piles. Since the stadium was built in Texas, the concourses in the stadium are probably not pile supported. Probably the only part of the stadium that were pile supported were the mat foundations that support large load bearing items, such as the columns that support the stadium, elevator shafts, and the large video screen. I'm sure the concourse walkways does not support any part of the stadium structure. The only loads that the concourse walkways will probably experience are the live loads of people walking around the stadium, basically a sidewalk. Therefore, the concourse walkways can easily be removed and replaced without jeopardizing the structural integrity of the stadium.

I definitely can tell your forte' is not design engineering.
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I see you're still trying to defend the engineers.

We're doing the same thing. You assume the design was good, but the construction was flawed. I assume the construction was good, but the design was flawed. We both have our reasons for thinking what we do.

I can definitely tell your forte is not construction. You're grasping at straws. Coming up with these asinine and off-the-wall reasons to try to explain what happened when the most likely answer is staring you in the face. An answer that you refuse to acknowledge because you know the engineers would be responsible.

We'll see how it turns out.
 
SUJagFan said:
I see you're still trying to defend the engineers.

We're doing the same thing. You assume the design was good, but the construction was flawed. I assume the construction was good, but the design was flawed. We both have our reasons for thinking what we do.

I can definitely tell your forte is not construction. You're grasping at straws. Coming up with these asinine and off-the-wall reasons to try to explain what happened when the most likely answer is staring you in the face. An answer that you refuse to acknowledge because you know the engineers would be responsible.

We'll see how it turns out.
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I'm pretty sure you think engineers are like the dog and contractors are like the tail, where the tail wags the dog. :lol: :emlaugh:

I bet your only experience in construction is in Louisiana and everything should be constructed with pile support, including in Colorado. Also, I bet you don't realize that there are cities in this country that do not have lift stations to pump their wastewater sewage to their wastewater treatment plants (wWTP).
 
You're right that the tail doesn't wag the dog. Except in my world, the contractors are the dog and the engineers are the tail.

And we've actually done projects throughout the Southeast. Including Texas, most recently in Odessa and Midland. :)

I bet you can't build a dog house. Can't put together a child's swing set without help. :lol:

Talking about what you "know" and can't do shit. :lol:
 
SUJagFan said:
You're right that the tail doesn't wag the dog. Except in my world, the contractors are the dog and the engineers are the tail.

And we've actually done projects throughout the Southeast. Including Texas, most recently in Odessa and Midland. :)

I bet you can't build a dog house. Can't put together a child's swing set without help. :lol:

Talking about what you "know" and can't do shit. :lol:
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I bet you are from New Orleans, where there's a lot of professional con artists. :lol: :emlaugh:
 
Dr H.. said:
Time have changed, back in the day if you were a CE, ME, AE or EE that was your profession. When I was in school there were no computers, just a drawing board, T-Square, engineering rule; templates; number 2 or 4 pencil and Slide Rule.

One of the local colleges have a program where an individual can earn a degree in concrete engineering.
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Construction Engineering is now a program at some schools, which basically is a construction inspector with an engineering degree.
 
Hey SUJagFan,

In your own words, what is meant by a split spoon and what is it used for?
 
JAG89 said:
I bet you are from New Orleans, where there's a lot of professional con artists. :lol: :emlaugh:
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Now, I'm a con artist?! Dang! I actually liked you, JAG89. I might have to rethink that after all of these insults. :lol:

I will admit that some of my fondest memories are of being sixteen years old on construction sites in New Orleans. :)
 
JAG89 said:
Hey SUJagFan,

In your own words, what is meant by a split spoon and what is it used for?
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Don't embarrass yourself by asking about tools and techniques specific to each others trades, dude. That's not a battle you can win.
 
SUJagFan said:
Now, I'm a con artist?! Dang! I actually liked you, JAG89. I might have to rethink that after all of these insults. :lol:

I will admit that some of my fondest memories are of being sixteen years old on construction sites in New Orleans. :)
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You do realize that New Orleans is far from being the center of the universe. :emlaugh:
 
JAG89 said:
You do realize that New Orleans is far from being the center of the universe. :emlaugh:
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:eek:

Impossible.

As I said, we've done projects in North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas and Texas.

Still, New Orleans HAS TO BE the center of the universe. Has to be. :lol:
 
SUJagFan said:
:eek:

Impossible.

As I said, we've done projects in North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas and Texas.

Still, New Orleans HAS TO BE the center of the universe. Has to be. :lol:
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If you want it to be the center of the universe in your world, I'm not going to argue with you on that.
 
It seems like the forensic investigation will placed the blame on both the design and the construction, which is typical. If that is the case, basically the designer and the contractor will probably share the cost of repairs. In the case of the design, the article stated that the reinforcing steel/rebar might not have been properly sized, whereas in the case of the construction, the article stated that the concrete might not have properly cured.

A report by Plano-based Nelson Forensics says cracks found at Eagle Stadium in the Dallas suburb of Allen may be caused by substandard concrete work and improper structural design of reinforcing steel.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/texas-high-school-s-60m-stadium-could-meet-wrecking-ball-031414
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From the same link:

In its latest report, Nelson Forensics said its review of engineering documents discovered areas of the stadium where the design-load demand exceeds the code-permitted capacity by 10-20% at multiple locations, and by greater than 70% at isolated locations.
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The lead designers PBK Architects is an architecture firm, which sometimes could cause problems with the design integrity of a facility. Engineers are more concerned with the structural integrity, whereas architects seem to be more concerned with aesthetics, which some of the factor of safety (FS) might have been compromised in order to maintain the stadium aesthetically pleasing looks.
 
JAG89 said:
The lead designers PBK Architects is an architecture firm, which sometimes could cause problems with the design integrity of a facility. Engineers are more concerned with the structural integrity, whereas architects seem to be more concerned with aesthetics, which some of the factor of safety (FS) might have been compromised in order to maintain the stadium aesthetically pleasing looks.
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They employ engineers (civil, electrical, mechanical).
 
jag4life said:
They employ engineers (civil, electrical, mechanical).
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Yes, but they are the LEAD DESIGNERS, which means they control the design budget. Also, nothing in the article says anything about the engineers (civil, electrical, and, mechanical) they employed.
 
Hey J4L,

Here's one of your construction buddies (Diamond B. Construction) in Louisiana that might have to resurface the main runway at Lafayette Airport because dime size holes started appearing right after they just resurfaced it. The Airport Commission is withholding Diamond B. Construction's final approval and final payment until the problem is resolved. The design engineer firm URS found the holes and organic matter in the runway during an inspection. The project cost $6.1 million.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/...yette-airport-runway-million-overlay/9023573/
 
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JAG89 said:
Yes, but they are the LEAD DESIGNERS, which means they control the design budget. Also, nothing in the article says anything about the engineers (civil, electrical, and, mechanical) they employed.
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The engineer who stamps that structural drawing is ultimately responsible for the structural integrity of that area. A Lead Designer has no authority over whether codes and standards are met.

The article doesn't mention ANY employees of the company, just the company itself.
 
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