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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES

like Gramblingfan2009 said if a few of schools can stay eligible why not the entire conference? :idunno: Stop making excuses for these kids not going to class and doing what the have to progress towards graduation...

And using the excuse of low resources is bogus as well...You have schools with all the resources in the world and they are still getting hit with APR troubles like UNC and North Carolina State yesterday. The problem is our black student athletes need to go to class....like pops33 said when we were on the yard the least we could do was go to class...:read:
 
Fiyah said:
JAG89 said:
I'm sure universities can afford to hire a few counselors that can track all student athletes progress. It shouldn't be that hard to follow a course curriculum, determine the student athlete GPA, and determine what is required for the student athlete to graduate within the required time frame. A simple Microsoft Excel spreadsheet should be able to keep track of the necessary data on each student athlete. .....
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You know our schools only want to hire 1 person to do all of that and at a low pay grade. That's a lot fo work for 1 person. You need a decent size crew to handle all of that with 16-20 plus teams.
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Unfortunately, it is too often the case.
 



Fiyah said:
You know our schools only want to hire 1 person to do all of that and at a low pay grade. That's a lot fo work for 1 person. You need a decent size crew to handle all of that with 16-20 plus teams.
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Yep... 250+ athletes all taking 12-18 hours a semester, plus those who drop classes, change majors, retake classes, have scheduling issues, etc. You need a team of folks instead of the 1 or 2 guys most FCS schools have.
 
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?

jag4life said:
If a student is a junior and still needs 100 hours he probably has already screwed up your APR because likely has either failed a bunch or dropped a bunch of classes in a given semester.

The largest factor in APR is semester to semester eligibility and retention.
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You might be right, but what I'm say, it shouldn't be hard to set some type of criteria if the school has a tracking system in place for student athletes to help them meet basic academic requirements, which also should help the school's APR.
 
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?

jsupop33 said:
Just being real, all this sounds like excuses. They can take they azz to class just like we did and pass.
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Exactly. We complained about this very thing the first time SWAC schools were banned but folks laughed and laughed and laughed and then had the nerve to say "quit whining" and take your medicine from the NCAA.
I have two words to say to those who laughed: "QUIT WHINING!!"
 
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Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?

Man, ain't nobody trying to hear all this. Including the NCAA.
 
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?

All this damn whining and sorry excuses. :smh:
I know y'all embarrassed as hell but keep it real. (especially the school that's been in this mess since the beginning).
 
Fiyah said:
You know our schools only want to hire 1 person to do all of that and at a low pay grade. That's a lot fo work for 1 person. You need a decent size crew to handle all of that with 16-20 plus teams.
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IMO, with today's technology I do believe one person can do the job if the right system was in place, but I would think the university would want to pay that person a decent salary for a unique skill set. When I worked for this one city, I implemented a system tracking program with the help of the city's I.T. Department to track construction projects and when those construction projects was completed, especially those construction projects that was tied to some billing process, so the city's Billing Department would know when to submit bills upon completion. But it is always good to hire at least multiple individuals with similar skill sets due to in case one of them become unavailable. I'm sure SU has individuals in their Computer Science or Engineering Departments that can do just that
 
I give y'all props. The coalition is "ride or die".
Y'all all jumping in that APR barrel with y'all sister, SU. That's real "black love" right there.
if they die, y'all die. :tup:
 
JAG89 said:
Can't open the PDF, but if you have Microsoft OneDrive, which I think is free for the first 8 to 10 gigbytes, you can upload it as a html link.
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Its the big ass manual for the APR guidelines that they give us at the NCAA meetings in Atl....(its damm near impossible to know everything about it btw))...like I said before there are schools in the conference who are meeting the requirements why cant the entire conference?
 
JAG89 said:
Can't open the PDF, but if you have Microsoft OneDrive, which I think is free for the first 8 to 10 gigbytes, you can upload it as a html link.
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I didn't have any problems opening it, it is a NCAA APR Data Collection Guide
 
JSUDMJ2004 said:
Its the big ass manual for the APR guidelines that they give us at the NCAA meetings in Atl....(its damm near impossible to know everything about it btw))...like I said before there are schools in the conference who are meeting the requirements why cant the entire conference?
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For a large fee to struggling APR SWAC schools, perhaps JSU can send out some of our compliance officers to conduct an in-house training on how to keep your school off the banned list.
 
JSUDMJ2004 said:
Its the big ass manual for the APR guidelines that they give us at the NCAA meetings in Atl....(its damm near impossible to know everything about it btw))...like I said before there are schools in the conference who are meeting the requirements why cant the entire conference?
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Okay, got it. I had to update my Adobe Reader. Thanks!!!
 



Re: NO MORE EXCUSES

JSUDMJ2004 said:
like Gramblingfan2009 said if a few of schools can stay eligible why not the entire conference? :idunno: Stop making excuses for these kids not going to class and doing what the have to progress towards graduation...

And using the excuse of low resources is bogus as well...You have schools with all the resources in the world and they are still getting hit with APR troubles like UNC and North Carolina State yesterday. The problem is our black student athletes need to go to class....like pops33 said when we were on the yard the least we could do was go to class...:read:
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I don't think it is all about them not going to class. You got to do more than just show up. LOL. Now I am on the high road because SU's issue is stuff that happened in the past. We can't change that. We will find out on June 25th what is going to happen and from my understanding the football team's past info ain't the one in question.Our current kids are doing what they are supposed to so far and they seem to be monitored. We are suffering from past transgressions. So I will continue to defend SU student - athletes right now as they are not the issue for our APR situation.
 
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J-State2DaPoint said:
I give y'all props. The coalition is "ride or die".
Y'all all jumping in that APR barrel with y'all sister, SU. That's real "black love" right there.
if they die, y'all die. :tup:
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APR is not our issue. Paperwork is. From almost 6-7 years ago. Keep SU out of this. As I am hearing more. The football team ain't in question anymore.
 
I think HBCU's should consider revising some of their curriculums to help satisfy the information shown below. I know SU Engineering curriculum is broken down into 4 years, but there are additional hours engineering students take that are zero credit hours, but is required in order to pass the main lecture class, such as the boat load of lab classes engineer students take. You probably can add on an addition 30 hours or more of zero credit hour classes to complete one of three main engineering curriculums (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) at SU. Per the NCAA, any program over 150-semester hours is automatically considered a 5-year program.

If the student-athlete's academic program is identified in the institution's official catalog as a five- or six-year baccalaureate degree program, it should be treated as such for purposes of determining the student-athlete's APR eligibility points. In addition, any baccalaureate degree program that requires at least 150-semester or 225-quarter hours to complete is considered a five-year baccalaureate degree program, according to NCAA legislation.
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But it's also a slight trade-off for recruitment, because universities like to squeeze a 5 or 6 year curriculum into 4 years, so that the program becomes more attractive to incoming students. Most incoming students like programs that doesn't take long to finish.
 
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JR said:
APR is not our issue. Paperwork is. From almost 6-7 years ago. Keep SU out of this. As I am hearing more. The football team ain't in question anymore.
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How many times you gone say this?:lol: You're still banned.
 
JAG89 said:
I think HBCU's should consider revising some of their curriculums to help satisfy the information shown below. I know SU Engineering curriculum is broken down into 4 years, but there are additional hours engineering students take that are zero credit hours, but is required in order to pass the main lecture class, such as the boat load of lab classes engineer students take. You probably can add on an addition 30 hours or more of zero credit hour classes to complete one of three main engineering curriculums (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) at SU. Per the NCAA, any program over 150-semester hours is automatically considered a 5-year program.



But it's also a slight trade-off for recruitment, because universities like to squeeze a 5 or 6 year curriculum into 4 years, so that the program becomes more attractive to incoming students. Most incoming students like programs that doesn't take long to finish.
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I've been saying that for awhile now
 
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES

JR said:
I don't think it is all about them not going to class. You got to do more than just show up. LOL. Now I am on the high road because SU's issue is stuff that happened in the past. We can't change that. We will find out on June 25th what is going to happen and from my understanding the football team's past info ain't the one in question.Our current kids are doing what they are supposed to so far and they seem to be monitored. We are suffering from past transgressions. So I will continue to defend SU student - athletes right now as they are not the issue for our APR situation.
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uum, JR, that's always the case with APR. The bottomline is that if YOUR school dropped the ball.. they dropped the ball. When our kids were penalized in 2011, we were not having retention problems. Our problems were from 2006 and 2008 and the fact that OUR compliance office sucked back then. We never even applied for waivers, etc... Nor did we try to see if kids who transferred were in school elsewhere. They just wrote the kids off. Meyers and company had to come in an locate the kids so we could get our points back.

Bottomline.. YOUR school messed up. Deal with it. :D
 
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES

Tigerpride said:
uum, JR, that's always the case with APR. The bottomline is that if YOUR school dropped the ball.. they dropped the ball. When our kids were penalized in 2011, we were not having retention problems. Our problems were from 2006 and 2008 and the fact that OUR compliance office sucked back then. We never even applied for waivers, etc... Nor did we try to see if kids who transferred were in school elsewhere. They just wrote the kids off. Meyers and company had to come in an locate the kids so we could get our points back.

Bottomline.. YOUR school messed up. Deal with it. :D
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NCAA grants JSU full waiver from academic penalties
Jackson State University has received good news from the organization that had threatened to level harsh penalties against the school's football program.

The National Collegiate Athletic Association has agreed to waive, for now, penalties the team faced for poor academic performance, according to documents obtained by The Clarion-Ledger.

Without the waiver, JSU likely would have been banned from post-season participation this fall and faced other punishment, including the loss of scholarships and even expulsion from Division I, the NCAA's highest classification for athletics. JSU's football program is in trouble because it has routinely fallen below the NCAA's benchmark score of 900 for Academic Progress Rate (APR)...



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bluedog said:
I've been saying that for awhile now
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From the SU's catalog, Civil Engineering consist of 135 hours along with two Mechanical Engineering courses as the program's core courses, which doesn't include the labs not shown in the curriculum, but is required. The NCAA should know that for any Engineering program to be ABET accredited, it would take a normal student taking the normal classload per semester at least five years to complete. If you noticed, all of the non-banned schools don't have full engineering program which means, they don't have a School of Engineering with all three engineering programs (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical). It makes it easy for them to meet APR requirements when most of their programs are true 4-year programs instead of 5 or 6 year programs disguised as 4-year programs.
 
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