Teen banned from prom over controversial dress


So tell me how does a person live in Mississippi? Is the state flag a sign of hate?

Yes the flag is a symbol of racism and I don't know how a person in Mississippi live in Mississippi since I don't live there, but maybe a person from Mississippi on this board can answer that question for you.
 
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On a side note, a lot of people have asked why MS still flies the "stars and bars" in it's flag. I tell people that MS. put it to a vote and the majority voted to keep it. The Gov. at the time was Ronnie Musgrove (D), he had the option to do like the state of GA. did and remove it like their governor did under powers provided by that office. MS. Democrats had control of the House and Senate and both the Governor and Lt. Gov. were both dems. By playing election year politics and NOT allowing at the very least, the MS. legislature vote on it he decided have a special election with the choice of a new flag or to keep the old one.

The national news covered it...the NAACP camped out in the state and did GOTV efforts to change it. The vote went 65% to 35% in favor to keep the old flag. A lot of people wanted to make that flag vote about race, and political parties but the vote was extremely skewed in that regard. For example, the largest Republican voting precinct in the entire state voted %80 for a new flag and there were even a few Black voting precincts that voted to keep the old flag.

Again, as I stated before, Ronnie Musgrove could have made the decision himself or let the legislature vote on it, but he was too busy playing election year politics. He lost re-election to Haley Barbour anyway.
 



Say what you want about the "Stars and Bars" but last I checked, none of the slave ships flew the Rebel Flag...the American flag flew from the decks of those slave ships.
 
Personally, I don't think she should be banned. Let her wear it. Stop making everything into new stories.

There had been some incidents at the school recently. She was told that she probably would nbot be admitted to the prom if she wore that dress. Ain't like she didn't know what was going to happen. When they told her she could come in if she went home and changed AFTER being told not to wear it in the first place, she refused.
 
Yes the flag is a symbol of racism and I don't know how a person in Mississippi live in Mississippi since I don't live there, but maybe a person from Mississippi on this board can answer that question for you.

We live the same way anybody else do. They voted, they kept their peice of cloth, and the rest of us moved on and really dont GAS about that flag. People got bills to pay. Fugg worring about a flag.
 
I remember when I was a battery commander in the Army and we had just moved into our new buildings/barracks. All the soldiers that lived in the barracks basically decorated their rooms the way they wanted to. For those that don't know, barracks are not like what you see in the old movies, they are step up like hotel rooms/college dorms now. So these guys could pretty much decorate their walls with what they want to, so long as it's not lewd or offensive.

A bunch of the black soldiers and a few hispanics came to me with concerns about the "white boys" having rebel flags on their walls. They saw it as racist and offensive. I looked up the regulations and it said nothing of the confederate flag being offensive. But I did tell them, I would raised it up through the chain of command. So, I along with the other unit commanders (their soldiers went to them too) told the battalion commander and he said he would take it up with the chain of command and ask the brigade commander what the policy was. The brigade commander then took it up with the Post commander Gen. Sherfield (who happend to be black/SU grad btw) and he had his staff look into it. So what basically ended up happening, is that the Army basically catered to the lowest common denominator and told the soldiers that the only flags they could display on their walls were the American flag! After that verdict, all the soldiers that had Jamaican, Cuban, Hatian, and Mexican flags displayed basically said it was o.k. for them to have the confederate flags and they wanted to rescind what they had put forth into motion. But it was too late then. I told them they should have thought about that before. BTW, they also had to remove them half naked women off the walls too because according to the Army...they would offend female inspectors that came into the living quarters.

I keep telling people....be careful what you wish for.

What about symbols of Nazi Germany? There an episode on the Military Channel about Great Tank Battles during the 1991 Gulf War where a tank commander bragged about a captured Iraqi tank commander questioning an U.S. Army private on why he was displaying a picture of his WWII adversery Erwin Rommel inside of his tank. And the private replied by telling the Iraqi tank commander that if he would have read a little bit more about Erwin Rommel maybe he would not be in the situation he is in now. IMO, Rommel's tactics had nothing to do with winning the war, Iraq was completely outgunned.
 
Nobody is saying that one should absolve themselves from personal responsibility. However, we also can't disregard the fact that there are forces and entities working every day to suppress us individually and collectively as well. And to not realize that will only quicken our demise.

Quicken YOUR demise. Don't include me in your doom and gloom outlook of life.

Despite what forces and entities may exist, some of us choose to overcome them rather than blame their miserable lives on them. No one ever told you that life would be without challenges or without opposition.
 
What about symbols of Nazi Germany? There an episode on the Military Channel about Great Tank Battles during the 1991 Gulf War where a tank commander bragged about a captured Iraqi tank commander questioning an U.S. Army private on why he was displaying a picture of his WWII adversery Erwin Rommel inside of his tank. And the private replied by telling the Iraqi tank commander that if he would have read a little bit more about Erwin Rommel maybe he would not be in the situation he is in now. IMO, Rommel's tactics had nothing to do with winning the war, Iraq was completely outgunned.

What about them? The Army clearly stated swastikas could not be displayed well before the issue of the rebel flag was addressed. BTW, soldiers displayed pics of Osama Bin-Laden and Sadaam Hussien... albeit those had "crosshairs" painted on the heads.
 
We live the same way anybody else do. They voted, they kept their peice of cloth, and the rest of us moved on and really dont GAS about that flag. People got bills to pay. Fugg worring about a flag.

Flag does hurt the State economically though 83. Part of a bigger problem with our perception and why many companies skip over MS.
 
Say what you want about the "Stars and Bars" but last I checked, none of the slave ships flew the Rebel Flag...the American flag flew from the decks of those slave ships.

Fort Sumter, S.C. was an United States fort that flew the American flag before it was attacked and captured by the Confederate, which was the first shoots of the Civil War. Also, all the Confederate States flew the American flag before they decided to secede from the Union.
 
What about them? The Army clearly stated swastikas could not be displayed well before the issue of the rebel flag was addressed. BTW, soldiers displayed pics of Osama Bin-Laden and Sadaam Hussien... albeit those had "crosshairs" painted on the heads.

In this case, it was more like a honor instead of having "crosshairs" painted on Rommel pictures. Is it okay for U.S. soldiers to honor Osama Bin Laden or Sadaam Hussein? I guess, in 60 years from now, it will be okay for U.S. soldiers to honor Bin Laden and Sadaam Hussein by displaying their pictures since we might have learned something from them.
 
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Fort Sumter, S.C. was an United States fort that flew the American flag before it was attacked and captured by the Confederate, which was the first shoots of the Civil War. Also, all the Confederate States flew the American flag before they decided to secede from the Union.

Uhhh, I know that....and you basically validated my point by saying the slave ships had american flags on their decks. BTW, the stars and bars was not the flag of the confederacy...this flag was.....

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This was the flag that the confederates flew...the stars and bars (rebel flag) was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
 
Flag does hurt the State economically though 83. Part of a bigger problem with our perception and why many companies skip over MS.

I know.
But when the ledgislature decided to put it to a public vote instead of doing what other states did and just take it down and replace it, everybody in this state knew what the outcome would be. Counties that voted Majority NO on the flag, LIKE HINDS, Jackson, decided not to fly the state flag on any city property.

Gurantee you if those other states had put theirs to a vote, they would still have the Stars and Bars also.
 
I know.
But when the ledgislature decided to put it to a public vote instead of doing what other states did and just take it down and replace it, everybody in this state knew what the outcome would be. Counties that voted Majority NO on the flag, LIKE HINDS, Jackson, decided not to fly the state flag on any city property.

Gurantee you if those other states had put theirs to a vote, they would still have the Stars and Bars also.

I was at a Mississippi Association of Supervisors convention that year with my dad and some of David Duke's crew and some others came in protesting about that.
 



Quicken YOUR demise. Don't include me in your doom and gloom outlook of life.

Despite what forces and entities may exist, some of us choose to overcome them rather than blame their miserable lives on them. No one ever told you that life would be without challenges or without opposition.

I'm just stating how it is. If you want to keep your head in the sand, feel free. And there will be a time (real soon) when we won't have the ability to overcome the opposition because a lot of people like you blamed the victims and never was skeptical of those in power.
 
I'm just stating how it is. If you want to keep your head in the sand, feel free. And there will be a time (real soon) when we won't have the ability to overcome the opposition because a lot of people like you blamed the victims and never was skeptical of those in power.

You have NO CLUE of "how it is".

Your pessimism and negativity has you so blinded to the vast opportunity that you DO have and what you CAN accomplish that it's shameful.

But, you keep dwelling on the negative. We'll see how that works for you.

:) :tup:
 
Uhhh, I know that....and you basically validated my point by saying the slave ships had american flags on their decks. BTW, the stars and bars was not the flag of the confederacy...this flag was.....

1stConfederateFlag1861.png


This was the flag that the confederates flew...the stars and bars (rebel flag) was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

Where did I say that the Christian Cross of St. Andrews (Star and Bars) was the official flag or national flag of the Confederate? But this was the flag the Confederate Armies carried in hopes to maintain the flag above:

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I was at a Mississippi Association of Supervisors convention that year with my dad and some of David Duke's crew and some others came in protesting about that.

Yep...........:lol:

They protested and hooted and hollered at counties that carried a NO vote, ESPECIALLY Jackson, taking those flags out of City Hall and not flying them on City Property. As you would guess, Kenneth I Stokes was the one that took them down personally. :lol:

Was not a thing the Duke crew could do and they finally went on about their business. They wanted their bars and Stars so we let them have them. I guess they thought black people in this state was going to act a fool and waste tiem worring about that yes vote. People just shrugged their shoulders and moved on because the yes vote was not a shock to anybody. :lol:
 
I know.
But when the ledgislature decided to put it to a public vote instead of doing what other states did and just take it down and replace it, everybody in this state knew what the outcome would be. Counties that voted Majority NO on the flag, LIKE HINDS, Jackson, decided not to fly the state flag on any city property.

Gurantee you if those other states had put theirs to a vote, they would still have the Stars and Bars also.

Ronnie Musgrove was to blame for this...he could have done just like GA. Governor Barnes did and changed it and came out with a new flag in less than two weeks time. But no...he was too busy playing election year politics.
 
Ronnie Musgrove was to blame for this...he could have done just like GA. Governor Barnes did and changed it and came out with a new flag in less than two weeks time. But no...he was too busy playing election year politics.

That mess dragged out for a long time. It was like everybody was waiting on the next person to pull the trigger. Nobody at the Capitol had the balls to make the politicians decide the flags fate. :lol:
 
It's never too late Mississippians. Make them racist sons-of-beechwood take that flag down.
 
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