City’s violence is ‘domestic terrorism’

[CEE DOG]

Drugs fuel the city. I remember in the 80's and maybe up until 93, Atlanta had a bad drug problem. That is how the Red Dawgs were formed. The SWATS were off the chain. After we won the Olympics and gentrification set in, Atl changed over night. Tearing down the projects and heavily infested areas changed and saved ATL. The white folks wanted Atl back, that is why it changed.

 

[Blacknbengal]

Drugs fuel the city. I remember in the 80's and maybe up until 93, Atlanta had a bad drug problem. That is how the Red Dawgs were formed. The SWATS were off the chain. After we won the Olympics and gentrification set in, Atl changed over night. Tearing down the projects and heavily infested areas changed and saved ATL. The white folks wanted Atl back, that is why it changed.

you wouldnt believe the change. I was here before the Olympics came.

 

[southsuburbs]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ct-oped-0721-guns-20110721,0,5975147.story

Our violent ways
Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy was right about lax gun laws harming black teens

Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy set off a firestorm recently when he said those words, when he equated lax federal gun laws to racism. He got a lot of criticism from the right and the left.

I think he hit the mark.

We all fail to acknowledge that children — and, yes, mostly African-American children — are dying disproportionately because of our failure to take action.

As the father of a biracial son, Tommy, who was tragically killed in the crossfire of a gang shootout 19 years ago, I know the complicated intersection of race and guns.

I will never forget the night my son was killed. Our family was living in Evanston, and Tommy had asked permission to go to a party in Rogers Park. I did everything I thought a good parent should do. I drove him there, and even went inside the house to say hello to the kids. As always, I gave him a curfew, which he convinced me to extend by one hour to reward him for being on the honor roll. Does this sound like the beginning of a gang shootout to you?

When I returned to take him home, the scene was every parent's nightmare — there were police and ambulances everywhere. As I desperately looked for Tommy, I learned that a group of teenage gang members found a flier about the party, showed up at the house and started shooting at each other with guns they obtained on the illegal market. Tommy was caught in the crossfire as he was trying to leave the party. The bullet pierced his heart and he died instantly.

I read daily articles about the shootings of young people. We all know what the problem is and where to focus our solutions: The shootings are primarily in low-income, African-American communities where illegal gun traffickers all too readily put guns in to the hands of black teenagers, who are shooting each other in gang fights. Innocent children get killed

The University of Chicago Crime Lab issued a report in 2009 stating that African-Americans comprise 36 percent of Chicago's population, yet 67 percent of its homicide victims. In 2005, there were 448 homicides and 90 percent of the victims were African-American. The report said "no Chicago youth is entirely safe," and that one out of every five youths killed by gunfire in Chicago was an innocent bystander, not the intended target of the shooter.

I have moved to Highland Park. I will say something that, like Superintendent McCarthy, I am not supposed to say. It has crossed my mind that if my son were white, like me, or if the shooting that took his life in Rogers Park occurred with regularity in Highland Park, public outrage would inspire more action to save young lives. Sometimes I think that if I had raised him here, perhaps he would be alive today.

Do I believe the government has a secret, racist conspiracy? Absolutely not. I believe that, because there are so many safe communities, such as Highland Park, our society has overlooked the devastating impact that weak federal gun laws have had on low-income black communities. As a result, there has been a shocking lack of urgency to make the changes necessary to save the lives of so many African-American youths.

No one seems to have heard past McCarthy's use of the word "racism." I believe his point was that weak federal gun laws facilitate a form of institutionalized racism, the unregulated flow of guns into the hands of young, black teenagers, and that we have a moral responsibility to strengthen these laws.

We know that the law could require licensing, registration and background checks on all gun purchases to save lives. Yet, we also know that it is tough to pass these lifesaving measures because the gun lobby complains that such laws hinder their rights to protect themselves.

Everyone lost Superintendent McCarthy's point. And young people keep dying.

 

[jstate83]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ct-oped-0721-guns-20110721,0,5975147.story

Our violent ways
Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy was right about lax gun laws harming black teens

Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy set off a firestorm recently when he said those words, when he equated lax federal gun laws to racism. He got a lot of criticism from the right and the left.

I think he hit the mark.

We all fail to acknowledge that children — and, yes, mostly African-American children — are dying disproportionately because of our failure to take action.

As the father of a biracial son, Tommy, who was tragically killed in the crossfire of a gang shootout 19 years ago, I know the complicated intersection of race and guns.

I will never forget the night my son was killed. Our family was living in Evanston, and Tommy had asked permission to go to a party in Rogers Park. I did everything I thought a good parent should do. I drove him there, and even went inside the house to say hello to the kids. As always, I gave him a curfew, which he convinced me to extend by one hour to reward him for being on the honor roll. Does this sound like the beginning of a gang shootout to you?

When I returned to take him home, the scene was every parent's nightmare — there were police and ambulances everywhere. As I desperately looked for Tommy, I learned that a group of teenage gang members found a flier about the party, showed up at the house and started shooting at each other with guns they obtained on the illegal market. Tommy was caught in the crossfire as he was trying to leave the party. The bullet pierced his heart and he died instantly.

I read daily articles about the shootings of young people. We all know what the problem is and where to focus our solutions: The shootings are primarily in low-income, African-American communities where illegal gun traffickers all too readily put guns in to the hands of black teenagers, who are shooting each other in gang fights. Innocent children get killed

The University of Chicago Crime Lab issued a report in 2009 stating that African-Americans comprise 36 percent of Chicago's population, yet 67 percent of its homicide victims. In 2005, there were 448 homicides and 90 percent of the victims were African-American. The report said "no Chicago youth is entirely safe," and that one out of every five youths killed by gunfire in Chicago was an innocent bystander, not the intended target of the shooter.

I have moved to Highland Park. I will say something that, like Superintendent McCarthy, I am not supposed to say. It has crossed my mind that if my son were white, like me, or if the shooting that took his life in Rogers Park occurred with regularity in Highland Park, public outrage would inspire more action to save young lives. Sometimes I think that if I had raised him here, perhaps he would be alive today.

Do I believe the government has a secret, racist conspiracy? Absolutely not. I believe that, because there are so many safe communities, such as Highland Park, our society has overlooked the devastating impact that weak federal gun laws have had on low-income black communities. As a result, there has been a shocking lack of urgency to make the changes necessary to save the lives of so many African-American youths.

No one seems to have heard past McCarthy's use of the word "racism." I believe his point was that weak federal gun laws facilitate a form of institutionalized racism, the unregulated flow of guns into the hands of young, black teenagers, and that we have a moral responsibility to strengthen these laws.

We know that the law could require licensing, registration and background checks on all gun purchases to save lives. Yet, we also know that it is tough to pass these lifesaving measures because the gun lobby complains that such laws hinder their rights to protect themselves.

Everyone lost Superintendent McCarthy's point. And young people keep dying.

Police go in and do what they need to do, every street corner activest will scream racism and the mother/father of every gangbanger with a rap sheet as long as the Mississippi river will be standing beside them screaming "My baby ain't done nothing."

Cut out the "no snitching" bullshat that every one of these fools break as soon as they hit the interrigation room, cut out the dumb azz gang instead of school mentality, cut out the "ain't gonna work at McDonalds" mentality because it ain't cool, and MAYBE shat will turn around.

2009 stating that African-Americans comprise 36 percent of Chicago's population, yet 67 percent of its homicide victims. In 2005, there were 448 homicides and 90 percent of the victims were African-American

Bet 95% was jumpstarted or committed by the minority population that live there.

 

[southsuburbs]

Police go in and do what they need to do, every street corner activest will scream racism and the mother/father of every gangbanger with a rap sheet as long as the Mississippi river will be standing beside them screaming "My baby ain't done nothing."

True dat...but what's better, hearing a mother scream in pain b/c her child's been killed by a stray bullet or hearing a loud mouth activist scream racism!?

Cut out the "no snitching" bullshat that every one of these fools break as soon as they hit the interrigation room, cut out the dumb azz gang instead of school mentality, cut out the "ain't gonna work at McDonalds" mentality because it ain't cool, and MAYBE shat will turn around.

I was talking about this with my co-worker as well...

The folks in the communities have to live with these thugs every day. They "snitch"/call the police or tell what they see, the police will use their name, show up to their house for more questions, etc. so now everyone in the neighborhood knows they told. Then...on top of that b/c of the system the cops dont' even lock up the criminal and he's right back on the block with the person that told on him. So why would the neighbor snitch!?

 

[Kendrick]

True dat...but what's better, hearing a mother scream in pain b/c her child's been killed by a stray bullet or hearing a loud mouth activist scream racism!?



I was talking about this with my co-worker as well...

The folks in the communities have to live with these thugs every day. They "snitch"/call the police or tell what they see, the police will use their name, show up to their house for more questions, etc. so now everyone in the neighborhood knows they told. Then...on top of that b/c of the system the cops dont' even lock up the criminal and he's right back on the block with the person that told on him. So why would the neighbor snitch!?

One of the women I spoke to said she KNEW who killed her nephew. In fact, she knew the killers by name. However, the cops have been unable to apprehend the perps because they don't have enough witnesses to the crime, she says.

 

[unknown]

True dat...but what's better, hearing a mother scream in pain b/c her child's been killed by a stray bullet or hearing a loud mouth activist scream racism!?



I was talking about this with my co-worker as well...

The folks in the communities have to live with these thugs every day. They "snitch"/call the police or tell what they see, the police will use their name, show up to their house for more questions, etc. so now everyone in the neighborhood knows they told. Then...on top of that b/c of the system the cops dont' even lock up the criminal and he's right back on the block with the person that told on him. So why would the neighbor snitch!?

The difference between us and non black folks is, they dont give a dayum. That's the main reason why you can go into some spots in the "hood" and see a murder in broad daylight where no one will say anything. On that same token, go try that over in John's Creek, Dunwoody, Roswell, East Cobb or Vinings. They will be out there telling the police everything they saw before they even leave the scene. And as a result of it the criminals dont fool around there and stay in the hood and their neighborhoods are safer right along with their schools. Just like these fools that broke into all these cars in Buckhead over the weekend.. didnt even take em 3 days to catch em.

That same type mentality is why those dudes from N.O. that had gotten so used to that 60 day hold policy down there ran up out of Houston and ATL back to N.O. when they realized that ish doesnt fly elsewhere. Yea, you can sit back and not say anything you saw then when those same criminals come back to your neighborhood and YOUR kids are a victim to them itll make you wonder was it worth not saying anything. I've never understood why we're the only ones that have that dumb keep quiet and protect the criminals policy just like ive never understood why so many more of us think its cool to play stupid in school as kids.

 

[jstate83]

True dat...but what's better, hearing a mother scream in pain b/c her child's been killed by a stray bullet or hearing a loud mouth activist scream racism!?



I was talking about this with my co-worker as well...

The folks in the communities have to live with these thugs every day. They "snitch"/call the police or tell what they see, the police will use their name, show up to their house for more questions, etc. so now everyone in the neighborhood knows they told. Then...on top of that b/c of the system the cops dont' even lock up the criminal and he's right back on the block with the person that told on him. So why would the neighbor snitch!?

Hey.
Sorry about the "innocents." Not talking about the ones that are trapped.

But this started long before 2011. People in these hoods let shat get so far out of hand, it's the norm now. You talked to the police, you working for Uncle Charlie. You get good grades in school, you wanna-be white. etc, etc, etc. This problem didn't start in 2005 or 2009. This problem started a long time ago when anyone that didn't didn't speak or act fluent Ghetto Rat, you was a wanna be Uncle Charlie.

 

[southsuburbs]

The difference between us and non black folks is, they dont give a dayum. That's the main reason why you can go into some spots in the "hood" and see a murder in broad daylight where no one will say anything. On that same token, go try that over in John's Creek, Dunwoody, Roswell, East Cobb or Vinings. They will be out there telling the police everything they saw before they even leave the scene. And as a result of it the criminals dont fool around there and stay in the hood and their neighborhoods are safer right along with their schools. Just like these fools that broke into all these cars in Buckhead over the weekend.. didnt even take em 3 days to catch em.

That same type mentality is why those dudes from N.O. that had gotten so used to that 60 day hold policy down there ran up out of Houston and ATL back to N.O. when they realized that ish doesnt fly elsewhere. Yea, you can sit back and not say anything you saw then when those same criminals come back to your neighborhood and YOUR kids are a victim to them itll make you wonder was it worth not saying anything. I've never understood why we're the only ones that have that dumb keep quiet and protect the criminals policy just like ive never understood why so many more of us think its cool to play stupid in school as kids.

It's not just "us"...and its' not all of "us".
Latinos are the same way
Italians
Russians
Polocks

The neighborhood I grew up in was all Black and if a crime was committed, people told the police what happened...so it's not all Blacks.

Like you said at the beginning of your posts...they know where to commit the crime, where they have a "hold" on the community. My thing is...it's the police and the City Leaders job to break that hold on the community. Not someone that's living on the block that can't move out but got 3-4 kids to protect.

It's really sad when you think about it, the projects were torn down but now they are turning the communities into the "projects". :smh:

 

[Kendrick]

The difference between us and non black folks is, they dont give a dayum. That's the main reason why you can go into some spots in the "hood" and see a murder in broad daylight where no one will say anything. On that same token, go try that over in John's Creek, Dunwoody, Roswell, East Cobb or Vinings. They will be out there telling the police everything they saw before they even leave the scene. And as a result of it the criminals dont fool around there and stay in the hood and their neighborhoods are safer right along with their schools. Just like these fools that broke into all these cars in Buckhead over the weekend.. didnt even take em 3 days to catch em.

That same type mentality is why those dudes from N.O. that had gotten so used to that 60 day hold policy down there ran up out of Houston and ATL back to N.O. when they realized that ish doesnt fly elsewhere. Yea, you can sit back and not say anything you saw then when those same criminals come back to your neighborhood and YOUR kids are a victim to them itll make you wonder was it worth not saying anything. I've never understood why we're the only ones that have that dumb keep quiet and protect the criminals policy just like ive never understood why so many more of us think its cool to play stupid in school as kids.

Well, a lot of these folks have to live in these neighborhood with the gang members and repeat offenders. I mean, you snitch on one of them, more than likely someone from their group or family will seek vengeance. They might not get you directly, but they might go after a young relative who goes to the same school or lives in the same area. That's probably why folks don't tell the cops.

Plus, neighborhoods have to stick together in situations like that. I heard one man suggest the people take justice into their own hands with some of these perps. If they shoot a kid or rape a woman, take them out. That way, those thugs might be apprehensive about continuing their violent ways if they know the residents will take matters into their own hands.

 

[unknown]

It's not just "us"...and its' not all of "us".
Latinos are the same way
Italians
Russians
Polocks

The neighborhood I grew up in was all Black and if a crime was committed, people told the police what happened...so it's not all Blacks.

Like you said at the beginning of your posts...they know where to commit the crime, where they have a "hold" on the community. My thing is...it's the police and the City Leaders job to break that hold on the community. Not someone that's living on the block that can't move out but got 3-4 kids to protect.

It's really sad when you think about it, the projects were torn down but now they are turning the communities into the "projects". :smh:

It may not just be "us", but "us" is surely the majority when you look at 90% of those murders being "us." And the police cant do their job without people giving them information.. thats the way it works.

 

[unknown]

Well, a lot of these folks have to live in these neighborhood with the gang members and repeat offenders. I mean, you snitch on one of them, more than likely someone from their group or family will seek vengeance. They might not get you directly, but they might go after a young relative who goes to the same school or lives in the same area. That's probably why folks don't tell the cops.

Plus, neighborhoods have to stick together in situations like that. I heard one man suggest the people take justice into their own hands with some of these perps. If they shoot a kid or rape a woman, take them out. That way, those thugs might be apprehensive about continuing their violent ways if they know the residents will take matters into their own hands.

I mean thats the way it works when you choose to live in the hood.. and regardless of what people say about "can't" get out.. it IS a choice once you're 18+. Everyone has literally the same opportunities to live a better lifestyle if they really choose to. Problem starts with the issue of so many people thinking its "lame" to get your education on point and better yourself. I grew up in the projects so all of this ive seen and know how it works very well. Of course where I grew up was no Cabrini Green but out of the city, just like most places, the majority of the crime centralized right around that area. I could easily still be there if I chose to but I didnt want to be.

If you choose to be there and want to live in fear, then dont say anything about what you see. But when you dont you just cant be mad when those issues come knocking on your door. And even with them tearing down the projects here, there are still limited areas where those folks could live. One, they had to go somewhere that actually accepted section 8 vouchers which I can guarantee you, no nice areas did. That's why the majority of them ended up in Clayton County, Franklin Rd in Marietta, Mableton, Thomasville..etc. I mean really you cant have it both ways, either you want to be able to live in peace or you dont.

 

[Kendrick]

I mean thats the way it works when you choose to live in the hood.. and regardless of what people say about "can't" get out.. it IS a choice once you're 18+. Everyone has literally the same opportunities to live a better lifestyle if they really choose to. Problem starts with the issue of so many people thinking its "lame" to get your education on point and better yourself. I grew up in the projects so all of this ive seen and know how it works very well. Of course where I grew up was no Cabrini Green but out of the city, just like most places, the majority of the crime centralized right around that area. I could easily still be there if I chose to but I didnt want to be.

If you choose to be there and want to live in fear, then dont say anything about what you see. But when you dont you just cant be mad when those issues come knocking on your door. And even with them tearing down the projects here, there are still limited areas where those folks could live. One, they had to go somewhere that actually accepted section 8 vouchers which I can guarantee you, no nice areas did. That's why the majority of them ended up in Clayton County, Franklin Rd in Marietta, Mableton, Thomasville..etc. I mean really you cant have it both ways, either you want to be able to live in peace or you dont.

Yeah, you do wonder why some families stay in these neighborhoods. But we're not privy to the family or the financial situation of these people. Maybe that's all they can afford at the time. Maybe there are other factors. Who knows?

 

[mighty hornet]

And even with them tearing down the projects here, there are still limited areas where those folks could live. One, they had to go somewhere that actually accepted section 8 vouchers which I can guarantee you, no nice areas did. That's why the majority of them ended up in Clayton County, Franklin Rd in Marietta, Mableton, Thomasville..etc. I mean really you cant have it both ways, either you want to be able to live in peace or you dont.

sorry unknown,
But that wasnt the case at all. When the projects were torn down, most of the former residents remained in the city.

 

[unknown]

sorry unknown,
But that wasnt the case at all. When the projects were torn down, most of the former residents remained in the city.

Pretty much the same deal.. where section 8 vouchers were accepted. So instead of being in the projects now you're on Bankhead, Simpson, Metro, Pittsburgh or Abernathy lol. Same issue different place. And considering its safe to say that most dont own but rent or lease, the mega gentrification going on in the city will cause them not to be there too much longer. Looking what they're going from Castleberry over to Mechanicsville you have to wonder how long the "inner city" is even going to exist.

And on top of that they're about to break ground on the Atlanta Streetcars down there running from Boulevard over to Centennial so the Boulevard/Auburn area is another one you can expect to be changing pretty soon.

 

[northern tiger]

CHA's plan taking toll on neighborhood
Residents in voucher program relocated more to the South Shore than any other Chicago neighborhood

http://www.wgntv.com/videobeta/ef8a...-plan-taking-toll-on-South-Shore-neighborhood