US strike kills top al-Qaida operative in Pakistan
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Olde Hornet
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He found his balls with the al-qaida, but can he find them against the people that dont want to raise the debt ceiling.
He needs to be out now, telling americans what the republicans will do to the economy when we default of the debt. I am afraid he will fold like a cheap suit.
Kudos with al-qaida.
He needs to be out now, telling americans what the republicans will do to the economy when we default of the debt. I am afraid he will fold like a cheap suit.
Kudos with al-qaida.
Rated R Superstar
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Killing another terrorist does not make us any safer, lower gas prices, fix the housing market, bring back jobs or stabilize the economy, considering we're still spending $2 billion a week in Afghanistan. Some of that stuff gets alleviated, and then I might be a little more pleased about the foreign and domestic outlook.
PVSAX99
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:lol:
"Might", he says. Something tells me that nothing Obama does will please you...or any other Conservative or apathetic group.
Oh well...
What republican president got us into all this in the first place?
PVSAX99
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Hindsight is 20/20. I feared for the worst when McCain and Palin were running. And I will fear for the worst for this next election. The people are complaining about Obama not doing enough for the people now? Let the people vote for a Republican...who probably won't do anything for the people at all (unless they have a lot of money). Otherwise, it'll be a "lazy-fare" deal with them....yes I said "lazy fare". The idea is to just let things be as they are...and they will fix themselves...and strongly oppose any kind of "change".
As for the National Security issue, anybody can be a threat to us. But getting rid of known threats can be a good deterrent. So getting rid of this man is a big deal if you ask me.
Rated R Superstar
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Here we go with the conservative/Republican narrative B.S. when someone doesn't agree with everything Obama does. The two-party system helping America is the biggest lie ever told to be honest (as another thread asked). When Obama was elected, I like millions of other people, thought actual positive change was going to take place. Come to find it is the same cut just a different verse.
Sure, Bush screwed up big time over an eight-year period, but Obama is just continuing the screw up. He'll be proactive when it comes to foreign and initiatives (like offing bin Laden, demanding Middle East leadership step down out of power, and wanting other countries to cease their nuclear programs) But some of his policies have hurt more than helped the American people, especially the poor and undeserved.
His proposed $1.1 trillion budget cut over the next 10 years will take a huge cut out of social programs and services that many people rely on. He hasn't closed Guantanamo Bay, he extended the Bush tax cuts for rich and he extended the Patriot Act. Oh, and the deficit has increased to $14 trillion.
Not to mention Obama has gone after whitleblowers like they are the Taliban, considering when he ran for office he lauded them for their work in exposing corruption.
Plus, he concedes too much to the Republicans -- even when the Dems had control in Washington. That was part of the reason his party were slaughtered during the mid-term elections.
The corporations, oil companies and banks are doing exceedingly well these days while unemployment is 9.1 percent.
So, yeah, these little victories don't do much until more pressing domestic issues are solved. Time out for all this rhetoric from both parties to be honest.
We can't say on one hand Obama is hamstrung by the Repubs, racists or the Tea Party, then on another applaud him for ousting some terrorist because the republican president didn't do it in the previous administration, considering we've killed millions of innocent Middle Eastern men, women and children over the years in the process.
So those 1.5 million dead, plus however many thousands of troops dying, was worth the death of two people?
Believe me, when the president wants to get something done, he can do it like pushing for health care reform for example or going into Libya.
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Rated R Superstar
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And that is what is wrong with our political system. We have to keep choosing between the lesser of two evils. "Oh, if you don't like the democrats, well you know the republicans are not going to do anything for you."
Why does the American people have only two legit options every single local, state and federal election?
You would have to be a fool to vote for Sarah Palin or McCain. But you would also have to be a fool to vote for a party that only pays attention to you when election time comes around and they want your votes.
But ya'll want to bash on the current president for everything while he's only been in office for a little over 2 years. In that same time span "W" and his crew screwed America over big time and we arn't close to coming out of that mess. I think even if Obama gets a 2nd term he will still not be able to correct that mess in his 8 years. Both parties will continue to mess over this since no one wants to really take on the hardliners and clean it u.
PVSAX99
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I'm not trying to turn this into a finger pointing issue. The economy is falling, and EVERYBODY is to blame for that. You can't fault one side without faulting the other...and that works both ways. But while the Gov't is bickering with each other trying to get their way, the people are suffering. But how far is one side willing to go, just to get their way? Do they NOT care that they are holding up progress and holding the people as hostages, just to make a statement and try to get their way?
"If you don't give to the rich too, we will make sure you can't give to anyone else..." What kind of Gov't bargaining is that?
I am STRONGLY against doing NOTHING, in hopes that things will fix themselves, which is what Republicans and Conservatives seem to advocate. Times change. And if we do nothing, we will fall behind the times. What may have worked in the past isn't guaranteed to work now or in the future. But people fail to realize that.
Like I said, no matter what Obama does, some people will NEVER be satisfied.
During Bush's time, we waged a war on Terror, that we can't seem to end.
He made claims of WMD's, that we still haven't found...just to go after Saddam.
Spent the majority of his term TALKING about Bin Laden, sending troops out to find him, and at the same time, just let him be.
Yet we are talking about Obama seeming "disinterest" in domestic affairs. Where were you Gov't bashers when Bush was jacking stuff up?
Let's not talk about NCLB. That is a complete domestic disaster.
I imagine it would have been hard pressing for Bush's successor to fix even half the crap that was put into place...unless that successor is another Republican. Things would probably me much much worse if McCain were president.
Anyway...everybody is at fault. Everybody is pointing fingers, and everybody is doing the same crap. It's sad.
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PVSAX99
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The problem is that we don't have a powerful third party to keep things in check. But even if there were a third party, I imagine that there are only two sides to every issue...and if you aren't for one, then you are for the other. It's either black...or it's white. There is no grey. Know what I mean?
Rated R Superstar
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Man, I'm tired of folks saying where were the government critics when Bush was in office. Folks were complaining about Bush, too. What black person you know who wasn't complaining about Bush? Remember all those protests about the war in the Middle East? Remember folks not buying the 9/11 Commission Report? Remember the backlash Bush got for the way he handled Katrina or not being able to find Bin Laden or the economic collapse? Obama wasn't president then or didn't have anything to do with those events.
Oh, but I keep forgetting people just started to pay attention to politics when Obama got elected.
Dude, these cats in office don't give two peas in a bucket average folks like us. They only care about pleasing the rich and the rich corporations. That goes for both parties. I wish people would realize that.
PVSAX99
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Who gets these people into office though? Truth be told, I think that the whole voting system as a farce. I think our right to vote and the election is just a trivial activity, just to fool us into thinking that our opinion actually matters.
The RICH and highly influential folks put these politicians in office. That's why politicians cater to them more than anyone else. They need their support and their money. You see the backlash Obama is getting for even suggesting to TRY and change the way things have been going. All hell is breaking loose.
"Share the wealth? Support the middle class?? Promote small business??? Take our "entitled" wealth away from us???? Preposterous!!!! We got the money!!! We make the rules!!!! We run this!!!!!"
-Signed,
The rich and famous
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And yes...where were these gov't bashers back then? As much bs as that man did, people were still saying "let him finish what he started". One thing is certain. He did a hell of a job finishing what he started ( ie jacking this country up).
Obama can barely get through his second year without people screaming for his head. Obama is in a damned if you do/don't situation. Can't please everyone...and some people will refuse to be pleased. For every accomplishment Obama achieves, somebody will have SOMETHING negative to say about it.
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Sometimes, I'm glad that the gov't doesn't GAD about what the people have to say about them...
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Makaho 2.0
++ Digital Assassin ++
But here's the kicker, he did campaign on getting us out of the current conflict, fixing the debt, closing Gitmo and a few other things. In two years he has added more troops, added more to the debt, and Gitmo is still open. I don't think he would have gotten elected if he campaigned with the moto of "I'm pretty much going to do what Bush did yet at a faster rate and engage us in yet another war"!
Again, you Obama supporters keep going back to Bush. If you hated Bush so much, you should really hate Obama's policy, since he is pretty much Bush on steroids.
But hey, he was on the breach team and led Seal Team 6 into Pakistan and gave Bin Laden a double tap to the head with his suppressed MP-5!
:tup:
Makaho 2.0
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R, I was on this page Bush's entire two terms. Bush got criticized from day one till his last day in office. These guys have extremely selective memories to say the least. As per the "Emperor's new clothes" dogma, they are too busy talking about how well dressed he is in lieu of his being naked at times.
But hey, Obama pulled a Rambo by being dropped behind enemy lines and crawled through 1 mile of land mines and barbed wire with only a book of matches and swiss army knife and stabbed Bin Laden two times in the eye with the fork blade and killed him.
:tup:
PVSAX99
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Wasn't that Mccain's Maverick plan? Like I said earlier, as much as Bush has done to America, and despite the backlash he received, people were STILL screaming to let him finish what he started...and he got his second term, even though we knew good and well what he was doing. Bush supporters put their support behind Bush to finish his terms. Obama supporters should do the same for Obama. Can we let the man do his job? If you don't want him to, then you know what to do come election day...though I doubt it will matter. Some folks just know they are never gonna be satisfied, regardless of what Obama (eventually) fixes. They are ready for the next incompetent to come and hammer the nail into this coffin. Nobody can note any of Obama's accomplishments (or even those that occur on his watch) without the anti-Obama clan chiming in on everything else that is wrong.
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Terrell_SU
Wow! Stupid pple do exist
want to know whats wrong with america? whats stopping progress? whats stopping legislation to help the people?
the republican party is... how? their use of filibuster!
think im wrong? Google it or click here
...back to your regular scheduled programming
the republican party is... how? their use of filibuster!
think im wrong? Google it or click here
...back to your regular scheduled programming
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
I agree, he should have just let the banks and the auto industry fail, we would have been in much better shape economically and if he would have went ahead and taken our troops out of Aftgan, he probably would have capture or killed the entire al Q alliance by now.
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Obama campaigned saying he would get us out of Iraq and focus on finding bin Laden in Afghanistan. Are we still in Iraq at the same levels?
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
C'mon man, you might as well be asking that question to Glen Beck.
J C
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The Repubs have instituted the super majority rule in the Senate. Nothing passes without 60 votes. This is a new procedure that makes governing more difficult.
PVSAX99
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Just call it what it is. They are holding the nation's progress hostage until they get what they want...and blaming the slow progress on Obama, in hopes that there will be a change in power come 2012. The way I see it, the Repubs are setting themselves up to fail. We ain't seen ugly yet.
ALPHA3
Active Member
We were doing that when Bush was POTUS.
luvdaboom
Banned
when did he ever say taking out a top al-Qaida operative would fix all of those things?