WP7 is about to blow the iphone OS off the water


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That interface is terrible and I used to be a huge WM supporter. They actually went backwards and took half of the features that windows phones were known for OUT.. like copy and paste. How can you debut a smartphone in 2010 without copy and paste? Microsoft is like 2 years behind making a debut with this phone and I dont expect them to put a dent in either iphone or android sales.
 



unknown1 said:
That interface is terrible and I used to be a huge WM supporter. They actually went backwards and took half of the features that windows phones were known for OUT.. like copy and paste. How can you debut a smartphone in 2010 without copy and paste? Microsoft is like 2 years behind making a debut with this phone and I dont expect them to put a dent in either iphone or android sales.
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That's like saying if a Ferrari doesn't have a CD player it isn't a Ferrari. Your logic doesn't make sense, just because the phone might not have a creature feature you want has nothing to do with how advance the interface is compared to iphone IOS.

Hell I'd take spell check over copy and paste any day. :lol:
 
bluedog said:
That's like saying if a Ferrari doesn't have a CD player it isn't a Ferrari. Your logic doesn't make sense, just because the phone might not have a creature feature you want has nothing to do with how advance the interface is compared to iphone IOS.

Hell I'd take spell check over copy and paste any day. :lol:
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My logic makes perfect sense considering copy and paste is a feature that windows phones have ALWAYS had and they took it out. Its a feature that business users use A LOT.. and one of the main reasons that I used windows phones for so long. Losing focus of business users and trying to focus on xbox live users is why this isnt going to gain any steam. And YOUR logic makes no sense because microsoft basically changed their style to MODEL after the iphone. They dumbed it down to make it appealing to common users that basically want things spoon fed to them without having to do much other than click a button... JUST like the iphone.

This is the main reason why AFTER windows phone made its debut on the web android sales spiked because of windows users that had been holding out to see what win phone was going to bring to the table. Trust me, I work in telecom so this is stuff I deal with pretty much everyday. Even though Android sales are BOOMING they still didnt stop IOS4 from getting their record sales even with phones like the Droid X, Evo, Epic and Incredible.. so what in the WORLD makes you think windows phone is going to do it? lol..

Like I said 2 years ago this would have probably had an impact but windows is so far behind they doomed themselves for these phones not to make a big impact. Go to any windows phone forum and see what current winmo users are saying about it... they speak for themselves. I dont think it will bomb but win phone will be LUCKY to get 10% of the smartphone market right now. And if they debut these phones around the time Android debuts the new gingerbread OS... they can hang it up.
 
I'm not impressed.

Technology has been leap-frogging itself for many years now. Soon, this will be old news too.

Iphone haters are constantly hoping and waiting for something that will knock off the Iphone. Wake me when it happens.
 
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I'm not impressed.

Technology has been leap-frogging itself for many years now. Soon, this will be old news too.

Iphone haters are constantly hoping and waiting for something that will knock off the Iphone. Wake me when it happens.
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Hold on now you're going a bit too far lol... Actually I think Android already has a FEW phones out that are better than the iphone. And really the iphone cant even bolster sales as a selling point anymore since Android passed them in that arena a while ago. There is pretty much nothing an Iphone can do that my Evo cant, but things my evo can do that the iphone cant. Honestly the iphone hasnt been the best phone on the market for a while. Most popular... yes. Best, no.
 
unknown1 said:
My logic makes perfect sense considering copy and paste is a feature that windows phones have ALWAYS had and they took it out. Its a feature that business users use A LOT.. and one of the main reasons that I used windows phones for so long. Losing focus of business users and trying to focus on xbox live users is why this isnt going to gain any steam. And YOUR logic makes no sense because microsoft basically changed their style to MODEL after the iphone. They dumbed it down to make it appealing to common users that basically want things spoon fed to them without having to do much other than click a button... JUST like the iphone.

This is the main reason why AFTER windows phone made its debut on the web android sales spiked because of windows users that had been holding out to see what win phone was going to bring to the table. Trust me, I work in telecom so this is stuff I deal with pretty much everyday. Even though Android sales are BOOMING they still didnt stop IOS4 from getting their record sales even with phones like the Droid X, Evo, Epic and Incredible.. so what in the WORLD makes you think windows phone is going to do it? lol..

Like I said 2 years ago this would have probably had an impact but windows is so far behind they doomed themselves for these phones not to make a big impact. Go to any windows phone forum and see what current winmo users are saying about it... they speak for themselves. I dont think it will bomb but win phone will be LUCKY to get 10% of the smartphone market right now. And if they debut these phones around the time Android debuts the new gingerbread OS... they can hang it up.
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Well if you know so much about the business then why are you referring to the WP7 as a windows ph? :confused:
 
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Man, give it up. WM7 is too far behind the times to do anything to iPhone or Android. This should have come out around the time Android was coming out if they really wanted to have some kind of hope with this. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself, WM7 is not going to do much in the smartphone world.
And you think that people aren't going to complain about not having a copy and paste? Dude, that was one of the FIRST things people were saying about why they didn't want to get an iPhone! When Android came out, that was one of the major features they were highlighting to win over iPhone users: Copy and Paste. You might not think it's a big deal but trust me, it will be a huge turnoff for people.
 
unknown1 said:
Uh... maybe because Microsoft dropped the name Windows Mobile and changed the brand to WINDOWS PHONE 7????
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Umm.....no

Windows Phone 7 is a software that will be use by cell phone companies HTC, LG, Samsung etc.

Windows Phone has been updated at the the same time WP7 was being develop, it's going to be call ver. 6.5.3
 
Dude 6.5.3 has BEEN out... I had it on my touch pro 2 WAY EARLY this year lol. Stick to what you know. Windows USED to be called WINDOWS MOBILE... I mean I should know I had the HTC Vogue, the Mogul, the Touch Pro AND the Touch Pro 2.

Straight from Microsoft's website


WINDOWS PHONE 7

A few blogs noted on February 2 that Sony Ericsson has a new Windows Mobile phone out that’s running the Windows Mobile 6.5.3 operating system.

What’s new in 6.5.3? This looks like the long-rumored update to Windows Mobile that provides support for capacitive-screen phones. It also provides some browser-speed tweaks.

Windows Mobile 6.5.3

They made the name change AT the time of 6.5 but didnt apply it UNTIL OS 7 made its debut. NOBODY called 6.5 or 6.5.3 windows phone 6.5 not even microsoft.

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My sincere apologize Al mighty one , I meant to say that the new ver of 6.5.3 will be call windows phone classic.

Again my deepest apology

So why are you calling WP7 a phone again?
 
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unknown1 said:
My logic makes perfect sense considering copy and paste is a feature that windows phones have ALWAYS had and they took it out. Its a feature that business users use A LOT.. and one of the main reasons that I used windows phones for so long. Losing focus of business users and trying to focus on xbox live users is why this isnt going to gain any steam. And YOUR logic makes no sense because microsoft basically changed their style to MODEL after the iphone. They dumbed it down to make it appealing to common users that basically want things spoon fed to them without having to do much other than click a button... JUST like the iphone.

This is the main reason why AFTER windows phone made its debut on the web android sales spiked because of windows users that had been holding out to see what win phone was going to bring to the table. Trust me, I work in telecom so this is stuff I deal with pretty much everyday. Even though Android sales are BOOMING they still didnt stop IOS4 from getting their record sales even with phones like the Droid X, Evo, Epic and Incredible.. so what in the WORLD makes you think windows phone is going to do it? lol..

Like I said 2 years ago this would have probably had an impact but windows is so far behind they doomed themselves for these phones not to make a big impact. Go to any windows phone forum and see what current winmo users are saying about it... they speak for themselves. I dont think it will bomb but win phone will be LUCKY to get 10% of the smartphone market right now. And if they debut these phones around the time Android debuts the new gingerbread OS... they can hang it up.
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I am in agreement with most of the things you are saying. However, I think I understand Microsoft’s plan, to put it in to your words, why they “dumbed it down.” I think it is an old fashion if you can’t beat them you might as well joint them. If fun and games are selling, then you might as well provide it. I was a long time WinMo users also and I use to look at the iPhone as a passing fad and not a phone for a power user. I switch to Android because WinMo was loosing its luster and Android phones where cheaper. Now an Android phone can cost as much or more than an iPhone but that is another issue.

I still don’t have an iPhone or I don’t know if I ever will, because I was waiting on the iPhone to go to Verizon. But when I purchased an iPod touch 3G and the iPad, now I see why iPhone sales are so high. The iPhone has evolved by leaps and bounds from the first generation. There have been many improvements to the iPhone such as more power, copy and paste and multi-tasking with a long battery life. However, it’s not the hardware, the software, or the network. It’s the environment that Apple has created with iTunes that has captivated the masses. The iPhone has the most interaction with business and entertainment than any piece of electronics on the market. Microsoft is trying to match it with the Xbox live integration and the music with Zune. That’s an environment that Apple started in the game room and not the board room where Microsoft was king. Now, Apple is finding its way in the board room also. With an iPhone you call it “dumbed it down” as I use to also, but the true term should be “simplifying,” so a power user can get more things done or be more creative and less time using the technology. I can spend more time reading my e-mails and less time trying to access it. If I download an app I just have to decide if I like it or not, instead of if it will work on my device. I can make a presentation without hundreds of pounds of expensive equipment to carry. I think because of sophisticated web apps there is a less need for cut and paste. Maybe that is why Microsoft left it out. Since I left WinMo 5 I have not needed to use cut and paste on Android or iOS. Microsoft has the technical know how and the money to master all the above and be what Apple is today. It is not a bad strategy.

As you noted, there are several phones out there with better hardware, software, and on a better network but iPhone still manages to out sell most of them because of the simplified way Apple has brought our digital lives together all in one package with the iTunes environment. I open iTunes more than I open Internet Explorer. But I have to agree with you that it is not going to work for Microsoft. Not because they have a bad business plan but Apple is just too dug in to be beat. Now Apple is trying to go after Facebook with this Ping. I think Microsoft have to attack from another front like do more with that Sync thing that they have in Fords. They need to hurry because iOS is slowly being intergraded in cars.
 
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bigmanofds said:
I am in agreement with most of the things you are saying. However, I think I understand Microsoft’s plan, to put it in to your words, why they “dumbed it down.” I think it is an old fashion if you can’t beat them you might as well joint them. If fun and games are selling, then you might as well provide it. I was a long time WinMo users also and I use to look at the iPhone as a passing fad and not a phone for a power user. I switch to Android because WinMo was loosing its luster and Android phones where cheaper. Now an Android phone can cost as much or more than an iPhone but that is another issue.

I still don’t have an iPhone or I don’t know if I ever will, because I was waiting on the iPhone to go to Verizon. But when I purchased an iPod touch 3G and the iPad, now I see why iPhone sales are so high. The iPhone has evolved by leaps and bounds from the first generation. There have been many improvements to the iPhone such as more power, copy and paste and multi-tasking with a long battery life. However, it’s not the hardware, the software, or the network. It’s the environment that Apple has created with iTunes that has captivated the masses. The iPhone has the most interaction with business and entertainment than any piece of electronics on the market. Microsoft is trying to match it with the Xbox live integration and the music with Zune. That’s an environment that Apple started in the game room and not the board room where Microsoft was king. Now, Apple is finding its way in the board room also. With an iPhone you call it “dumbed it down” as I use to also, but the true term should be “simplifying,” so a power user can get more things done or be more creative and less time using the technology. I can spend more time reading my e-mails and less time trying to access it. If I download an app I just have to decide if I like it or not, instead of if it will work on my device. I can make a presentation without hundreds of pounds of expensive equipment to carry. I think because of sophisticated web apps there is a less need for cut and paste. Maybe that is why Microsoft left it out. Since I left WinMo 5 I have not needed to use cut and paste on Android or iOS. Microsoft has the technical know how and the money to master all the above and be what Apple is today. It is not a bad strategy.

As you noted, there are several phones out there with better hardware, software, and on a better network but iPhone still manages to out sell most of them because of the simplified way Apple has brought our digital lives together all in one package with the iTunes environment. I open iTunes more than I open Internet Explorer. But I have to agree with you that it is not going to work for Microsoft. Not because they have a bad business plan but Apple is just too dug in to be beat. Now Apple is trying to go after Facebook with this Ping. I think Microsoft have to attack from another front like do more with that Sync thing that they have in Fords. They need to hurry because iOS is slowly being intergraded in cars.
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I pretty much agree with this.. the common smart phone user just wants a phone that they can use without having to do anything other than download an app and click a button. Plus Apple has the brand name and DEDICATED users that will get their products no matter what. As far as the sync in cars... if your car is bluetooth capable you can do it with almost any smartphone as long as you have the app for it. I do it with mine and set my phone in the htc car dock and it automatically puts the phone into dock mode which uses the music player, voice calls through the radio system and integrated gps.
 



bigmanofds said:
I am in agreement with most of the things you are saying. However, I think I understand Microsoft’s plan, to put it in to your words, why they “dumbed it down.†I think it is an old fashion if you can’t beat them you might as well joint them. If fun and games are selling, then you might as well provide it. I was a long time WinMo users also and I use to look at the iPhone as a passing fad and not a phone for a power user. I switch to Android because WinMo was loosing its luster and Android phones where cheaper. Now an Android phone can cost as much or more than an iPhone but that is another issue.

I still don’t have an iPhone or I don’t know if I ever will, because I was waiting on the iPhone to go to Verizon. But when I purchased an iPod touch 3G and the iPad, now I see why iPhone sales are so high. The iPhone has evolved by leaps and bounds from the first generation. There have been many improvements to the iPhone such as more power, copy and paste and multi-tasking with a long battery life. However, it’s not the hardware, the software, or the network. It’s the environment that Apple has created with iTunes that has captivated the masses. The iPhone has the most interaction with business and entertainment than any piece of electronics on the market. Microsoft is trying to match it with the Xbox live integration and the music with Zune. That’s an environment that Apple started in the game room and not the board room where Microsoft was king. Now, Apple is finding its way in the board room also. With an iPhone you call it “dumbed it down†as I use to also, but the true term should be “simplifying,†so a power user can get more things done or be more creative and less time using the technology. I can spend more time reading my e-mails and less time trying to access it. If I download an app I just have to decide if I like it or not, instead of if it will work on my device. I can make a presentation without hundreds of pounds of expensive equipment to carry. I think because of sophisticated web apps there is a less need for cut and paste. Maybe that is why Microsoft left it out. Since I left WinMo 5 I have not needed to use cut and paste on Android or iOS. Microsoft has the technical know how and the money to master all the above and be what Apple is today. It is not a bad strategy.

As you noted, there are several phones out there with better hardware, software, and on a better network but iPhone still manages to out sell most of them because of the simplified way Apple has brought our digital lives together all in one package with the iTunes environment. I open iTunes more than I open Internet Explorer. But I have to agree with you that it is not going to work for Microsoft. Not because they have a bad business plan but Apple is just too dug in to be beat. Now Apple is trying to go after Facebook with this Ping. I think Microsoft have to attack from another front like do more with that Sync thing that they have in Fords. They need to hurry because iOS is slowly being intergraded in cars.
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And there you have it. As a consumer I what works for you may not work for me, better yet I can care less about creature features as I do the functionality of the ph and as for who wins these so-called battles of the smart ph, it's really high on my DGAS list. :lol:

Microsoft cites a number of use studies mentioned earlier where users generally focus on a few predictable forms of information: addresses, phone numbers, or snippets from a web page. Instead of letting users copy and paste this information, it’s hoping that users long-press on context-highlighted text and take action from there. “People often want to take an address and view it on a map, highlight a term in the browser, and do a search or copy a phone number to make a call. Instead of the user manually doing a copy and paste in these scenarios, we recognize those situations automatically and make them happen with just one touch,†said Casey McGee, a senior marketing manager in Microsoft’s Mobile Communications Business group.
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Multi tasking on IOS4 should really just be called app switching... There are still a lot of apps that have yet to be updated to work right when it comes to "multi-tasking" and apple left it up to the developers to fix it and update it themselves rather than totally fixing it on the OS itself. Really Apple doesnt see the need to and doesnt really make a lot of changes because people are going to buy it regardless.

I really just cant wait until Android releases Gingerbread. Its rumored that the next Android superphones will come with the new Tegra 2 processors and will be released around the beginning of the year.

And FYI I have seen the WP7 phones Sprint is supposed to get early next year. A disappointment to say the least. Still using an old processor, no expandable memory (NO SD cards), small screen, no true multi-tasking, no copy and paste.. all they did was basically carbon copy IOS but instead of using the Ipod method they're going to try to do with Zune what Apple did with Itunes. I just dont see it being as big of a splash as they hoped for. I'm yet to see anything about a 4G capable WP7 phone and none of them thus far will be coming with front facing cameras.

Honestly I think Microsoft just doesnt get it. They changed the interface of the OS but seemed to go in reverse rather than going forward. I guess they're hoping to get the gaming community with the xbox integration but IOS and Android both have apps to where you can integrate xbox live also.
 
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I agree with those that aren't impressed. I'm not impressed either. Microsoft is too far behind. Features like copy and paste are not feature creeps. Those are essential features considering Microsoft is pushing things like Office Mobile. No smartphone should be without copy and paste. Whether or not you can call it true multitasking depends on the app. Apps that play music can do so in the background while other apps are being used, but for most apps, it's app switching just like unknown1 said.
 
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