Paul and Revalation....

[JayRob]

No, the more you comment on Christianity, shows how much you truly hate Christ. I'm not the one calling God's holy word fictitious......you are. The majority of Christians who have read your posts know you hate Christ.....that's evident. I just pray you find Christ before it's too late.

No, I hate the lies being spread to unknowing people who've not done their own research about a book full of fictional characters and plagiarized writings.
No need to hate something that doesn't exist.

Where does it read Peter and others received the holy spirit before becoming a Christian? You're making up stuff that's not in the bible. Why?

When was the first time the word Christian is mentioned in the Bible? There was no such word until long after the supposed resurrection of Christ. Just because a person is being taught, doesn't mean that they can obey. If I'm wrong about this, then what you're saying is that humans can obey supposed spiritual laws without the holy spirit. This would totally contradict scripture. Which is it RB? Could the disciples obey spiritual laws without the holy spirit indwelling? Can YOU obey spiritual laws without the holy spirit?

Do you not know what the word "DISCIPLE" mean? Peter was a Christian before he sliced the man's ear off.

Again, according to the Bible, could a disciple obey spiritual laws without the holy spirit indwelling? And when was the first time the word, "christian" was mentioned?

.....and yes, you're soft as Charmin tissue.

More diversion. You and Murray can try your hypocrisy on somebody else cause I ain't buying it one bit. Any how, answer the above questions and cease with the cowardly diversionary tactics you're famous for.

 

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...No, you have chosen to ignore basic scriptural context, which is just as important as anything else. The verses you mistook for something spiritual, clearly were referring to physical life...

Again, you're taking basic words out of context and you're not telling the truth by omission. Nephesh can simply mean "breath". All Elijah was doing was praying for breath to re-enter the child again because the child had died. It has nothing to do with a soul. He's praying for breath (oxygen) to enter the child again, nothing more, nothing less...

It amazes me that you even try and refute what I said after I showed you the context of each verse you listed. It seems you simply don't want to be wrong, that's all there is to it. I know it's hard to publicly admit that you were mistaken, but shouldn't having the holy spirit make that announcement easier? I do recall that one of the fruits is humility. No one will hold that apology against you. I certainly won't...

I am going to give this one more shot to try to help you to understand; then I am going to leave this alone.

There are 6 different words in the Hebrew text that are translated "life":

• chay
• chayah
• chayay
• michyah
• nephesh
• etsem

There are 5 different words in the Hebrew text that are translated "breath":

• tephach
• yapheach
• nishma
• neshamah
• ruwach

Like any language, the reason they exist is that they all mean something different in context. While there is context ACROSS VERSES in the text, there is also context WITHIN VERSES of the text. So, when you say things like

I don't have to take any courses in Greek, especially when the context and content of the verses and chapter clearly depict what the word "soul" should mean. In none of your verses did you prove that it was referring to an immortal soul. You merely implied it, with nothing concrete to support such a theory.

I understand what you are missing by not having taken any courses in Greek. I used to be in that place, but I chose to be taught more. While I do have the Holy Spirit in me, He brings so much more to me when the eyes of my understanding have been enlightened to more accurate information.

I recently prepared a series of 15 lessons to be taught in our church. Since we have some people whose primary language is Spanish, I wanted the material translated. I know it would take me a long time to do it well; so, I decided that I would give the online translators a try. Everyone that I tried translated all of my English text to a proper Spanish word but they all failed to capture the context.

I hope this helps you.

..You implied earlier that souls could be destroyed in hell when you listed the verse in Matthew 10. Then you implied that the sea would destroy souls. Now you're saying that the contents of vials can? So, now we have three ways souls can be destroyed?! This is getting more confusing by the postings...

One of the things that I REALLY like about these forums is that things DO NOT get confusing because they are written down. Let's go back to Post #35

These might help:

Matt 10:28

28 And fear not them which kill the body [Greek: psuche] , but are not able to kill the soul [Greek: soma]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


1 Thess 5:23

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit [Greek: pneuma] and soul [Greek: soma] and body [Greek: psuche] be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now, Post #37

^^^^^^

Read Matthew 10:28 again and AGREE WITH ME that the soul can be killed.


Now, AGREE WITH ME that the the soul is not the body is not the spirit.

Now, Post #44

1. Sir, none of us know what is required for the soul to be destroyed (Matt 10). Frankly, I don't ever want to know. We do know that it can be destroyed and we know that its distruction is distinguished from the destruction of the body.
2. In an earlier post you said this:
   
   
   You walked right past the definition that you provided us with: creature, which is different from body. I am a new creature [ktisis] living in my original body. The creation that I am is distinguished from the body in which it resides. None of references you listed indicate body and soul being synonymous. Yet, I gave you a referece (1 Thess 5) that clearly distinguishes the 3 elements.

So, show me that they are the same or agree with me that they are different.

Finally, there's Post #48

Bruh, Matt 10:28 says that either you are wrong or Jesus is wrong. You say that the death of the body will result in the death of the soul. Jesus say that in that verse that the body and the soul can encounter separate deaths. Which of you should we believe?


Thankfully, you are wrong. If you were right, then conversion never occurred. I have the same body, but I am most certainly not the same person. The person is what was converted.

The word human [humus => dirt / man => spirit] literally means "spirit in dirt", rendering "human spirit" to actually be redundant. So, all of us are made of spirit and we live in bodies, by definition.


Sir, it is no struggle. Some things are just definitive. Let's look again, shall we?

• Matt 10:28 - the body can be killed and the soul left alive
• 1 Thess 5 - budy, soul, and spirit define man as tripartite, each of the 3 with its own existence...
  
  Note: I cut out this part from POST #48 because the forum tool limits posts to 10000 characters and including all of this took the post to 10148.
  
  ...Sir, Matt 10:28 denotes the fire of Hell will be able to destroy both the body and the soul. Does that mean that the fire will ONLY be physical? I don't know but it seems that the answer should be NO. Once again, I have no intentions of finding out.

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  Let's go over this again:
  1. Jesus says both body and soul destroyed in hell. I agreed and restated that in Post #48
  2. YOU, JayRob, brought up Rev 16 and the sea. I said that it was NOT the sea that destroyed them because they were already in the sea and the that what changed was that the wrath of God was poured into the sea, causing their death. Was that wrath fire? Acid? Poison? I don't know and I never claimed to.
  Sir, there is no confusion on my part.
  
  
  

  ...My point in saying that I don't have any holy spirit is to prove that I don't need it, especially when I can simply read, comprehend the bible and appropriately interpret verses much better than the average person who claims to have it.
  
  NOTE: Again, I'll ask....where is the term "immortal soul" mentioned in the whole Bible?

  As I pointed out in the beginning of this post...Not only do you need the Holy Spirit, but you need to be teachable and diligent in your study to become as naturally well-versed as you can without becoming so full of earthly wisdom, philosophy, and logic. Doing so gives the Holy Spirit more to draw on in your teachable spirit and presents more lucid revelation.
  
  Finally, if the soul can be killed, is it immortal? If it is not immortal, why would you expect to find such a depiction in the scriptures?

 

[Dr H..]

recently prepared a series of 15 lessons to be taught in our church. Since we have some people whose primary language is Spanish, I wanted the material translated. I know it would take me a long time to do it well; so, I decided that I would give the online translators a try. Everyone that I tried translated all of my English text to a proper Spanish word but they all failed to capture the context.

Dialect and the useage of the word?

 

[dacontinent]

Dialect and the useage of the word?

The translators were all for Castillian, so dialect really was not the issue. It was really all a matter of usage of the word.

Example: spirit can be espiritu or alcohol. You can imagine how some things came out.

 

[JayRob]

I am going to give this one more shot to try to help you to understand; then I am going to leave this alone.

There are 6 different words in the Hebrew text that are translated "life":

• chay
• chayah
• chayay
• michyah
• nephesh
• etsem

There are 5 different words in the Hebrew text that are translated "breath":

• tephach
• yapheach
• nishma
• neshamah
• ruwach

Like any language, the reason they exist is that they all mean something different in context. While there is context ACROSS VERSES in the text, there is also context WITHIN VERSES of the text. So, when you say things like

I understand what you are missing by not having taken any courses in Greek. I used to be in that place, but I chose to be taught more. While I do have the Holy Spirit in me, He brings so much more to me when the eyes of my understanding have been enlightened to more accurate information.

I recently prepared a series of 15 lessons to be taught in our church. Since we have some people whose primary language is Spanish, I wanted the material translated. I know it would take me a long time to do it well; so, I decided that I would give the online translators a try. Everyone that I tried translated all of my English text to a proper Spanish word but they all failed to capture the context.

I hope this helps you......
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Dacon, it's fine and dandy that you've taken courses in other languages. Does that change the content of the verses listed before and after? No.
I listed almost a dozen verses clearly depicting a physical body/soul that dies. I even broke down the verses YOU listed to show you that what you were saying about them was not accurate. You totally ignored it. You didn't even bother to show me where I was wrong in interpreting the contents of those verses. You just chose to ignore it.

Instead, you listed your education in various languages, instead of DIRECTLY addressing what I had posted regarding the verses.

I clearly showed the context of all of the verses listed by you one by one. I thought you would have something specific to debunk what I posted, but you didn't.

Come on Dacon, I would hope that you'd address those specific verses that you listed and that I listed that specifically talk about the soul and whether or not it can die.

I also asked you to SHOW ME in scripture where the term "immortal soul" is mentioned and you've refused to do so. Why isn't the term immortal soul ever mentioned? It's because there's no such thing.
What is mentioned is that the physical body and it's death is mentioned. The human spirit and it going back to god is mentioned, but there's nothing in the Bible mentioning an immortal soul.

One can have all of the education about language and word structure he or she pleases, but if the verses are being taken out of context, it doesn't matter.
Please specifically address those verses I talked about and points that I mentioned, that's all I ask.​

 

[JayRob]

One of the things that I REALLY like about these forums is that things DO NOT get confusing because they are written down. Let's go back to Post #35

[*]Jesus says both body and soul destroyed in hell. I agreed and restated that in Post #48
[*]YOU, JayRob, brought up Rev 16 and the sea. I said that it was NOT the sea that destroyed them because they were already in the sea and the that what changed was that the wrath of God was poured into the sea, causing their death. Was that wrath fire? Acid? Poison? I don't know and I never claimed to.
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Sir, there is no confusion on my part.

Like I said, Matthew 10 is the ONLY verse you have that remotely says something about the body and soul being different, however this verse is shaky as well. You have shown no other verses to support a theory that the body and soul are different, none showing that the soul can only die in hell.

As far as Revelation 16:3 is concerned, you implied that the souls were destroyed in the sea, you just didn't know by what method. I stated that the verse simply referred to physical bodies that died. Earlier you claimed Matthew 10 stated that hell fire destroyed souls. I simply asked, how could BOTH the sea and hell destroy souls? It's either one or the other. If the souls were destroyed in the sea, there's no need for the second resurrection because the souls of these folks were gone for good. But scripture teaches that ALL who ever lived will be raised at the second resurrection, if they didn't make it in the first resurrection. What's the purpose of the SECOND resurrection if their souls are already destroyed?

As I pointed out in the beginning of this post...Not only do you need the Holy Spirit, but you need to be teachable and diligent in your study to become as naturally well-versed as you can without becoming so full of earthly wisdom, philosophy, and logic. Doing so gives the Holy Spirit more to draw on in your teachable spirit and presents more lucid revelation.

I've gotten this far without a holy spirit and I know more about the Bible than many who claim to have such a spirit. How do you explain that?

Finally, if the soul can be killed, is it immortal? If it is not immortal, why would you expect to find such a depiction in the scriptures?

My premise is that the soul is synomous with "body". In short, sometimes the term "soul" can refer to the body and sometimes it can refer to the "human spirit". At death, we know where the human spirit goes, but where does the "soul" go at death?

Last but not least, it says in Galatians 5, that the holy spirit imparts love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, mercy, goodness, etc. If this is the purpose of spirit to impart such qualities of emotion and intellect, why is it so farfetched to believe that these same qualities don't exist in the human spirit, albeit on a lower level? Wouldn't the human spirit operate in a similar manner than the holy spirit in principle?
Does the god of the bible have a soul? Did Christ have a soul? None of these things are mentioned in scripture. What is mentioned is that Christ was both human and spirit. Scripture says nothing about a soul in Christ nor a soul in the OT or NT god. If humans are supposedly made in THEIR image, then we don't have a soul.

NOTE: Please address especially address the questions in red.

 

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NOTE: Please address especially address the questions in red.

As you wish

...how could BOTH the sea and hell destroy souls?

I will just stick with a natural example. The EXXON Valdes dumps crude oil in the Bering Sea and it catches fire. The sea would only need to be in Hell.

...What's the purpose of the SECOND resurrection if their souls are already destroyed?...

Second resurrection is for bodies to stand in judgement. The destruction would simply be the sentencing from the judgement.

...I've gotten this far without a holy spirit and I know more about the Bible than many who claim to have such a spirit. How do you explain that?

You have done well. You read more than most believers. They are better off than you simply because they believe. You are a lot like Saul of Tarsus. It is one of the reasons that I hold out such high hopes for you.

...At death, we know where the human spirit goes, but where does the "soul" go at death?

Paradise or Hades

...Last but not least, it says in Galatians 5, that the holy spirit imparts love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, mercy, goodness, etc. If this is the purpose of spirit to impart such qualities of emotion and intellect, why is it so farfetched to believe that these same qualities don't exist in the human spirit, albeit on a lower level? Wouldn't the human spirit operate in a similar manner than the holy spirit in principle?

I am not sure of what you mean by "a lower level" or "in principle". We have a natural capacity for such qualities. The impartation of the Holy Spirit is to give us supernatural ability. Crucifixion (Christ) and stoning (Stephen) were endured by many, but these two were distinguished in their ability to pray for forgiveness for the perps while being killed.

Does the god of the bible have a soul? Did Christ have a soul? None of these things are mentioned in scripture. What is mentioned is that Christ was both human and spirit. Scripture says nothing about a soul in Christ nor a soul in the OT or NT god. If humans are supposedly made in THEIR image, then we don't have a soul...

God, the Father, is Spirit and we worship Him in spirit and truth (Jn 4:23-24). The Son took on a body and a soul, lived, died, was resurrected, and rose into heaven. The Holy Spirit is just that.

Scripture tells us that Christ acknowledged His soul in Matthew 26:38. Jesus had a soul that he accounted for as a human. If He had one in His mortality, then we have one in ours.

 

[JayRob]

As you wish
I will just stick with a natural example. The EXXON Valdes dumps crude oil in the Bering Sea and it catches fire. The sea would only need to be in Hell.

Where does scripture say that "the sea, referred to in Revelation 16:3, is located in hell?"

Second resurrection is for bodies to stand in judgement. The destruction would simply be the sentencing from the judgement.

What's the purpose of raising a dead body to life just to kill it again? That's redundant and doesn't make any sense at all.

You have done well. You read more than most believers. They are better off than you simply because they believe. You are a lot like Saul of Tarsus. It is one of the reasons that I hold out such high hopes for you.

Saul was a devout Jew and religious person. You are more like Saul than I am.

Paradise or Hades

Where are the verses to support that the soul goes to Heaven and/or Hades. Hades means grave anyhow, so you must be saying that the soul is in the grave with the physical body? I can agree with that.

I am not sure of what you mean by "a lower level" or "in principle". We have a natural capacity for such qualities. The impartation of the Holy Spirit is to give us supernatural ability. Crucifixion (Christ) and stoning (Stephen) were endured by many, but these two were distinguished in their ability to pray for forgiveness for the perps while being killed.

You still didn't explain the principle of the human spirit and the holy spirit. Both impart emotions, intellect, etc. If the human and holy spirit imparted such, what's the purpose of the soul?
Note: It doesn't take any holy spirit to forgive a person while one is being stoned. Any person can do that just by doing it.

God, the Father, is Spirit and we worship Him in spirit and truth (Jn 4:23-24). The Son took on a body and a soul, lived, died, was resurrected, and rose into heaven. The Holy Spirit is just that.

What verse says that Christ had a soul? Where did that soul go to and please provide verses to support your theory. I know his physical body went to the grave and his spirit allegedly went back to his father. It says nothing.....nothing about a soul going anywhere.

Scripture tells us that Christ acknowledged His soul in Matthew 26:38. Jesus had a soul that he accounted for as a human. If He had one in His mortality, then we have one in ours.

There you go again, taking verses out of context. Here's what the verse says: "Then he said to them, My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."

Christ is clearly saying that his soul was about to die due to the stress he was under. Can stress kill the soul? Or....did Christ simply mean that his physical body was at the point of death? I'll take the latter due to putting it together with other verses. One verse describes him sweating as great drops of blood (And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.â€￾
—Luke 22:44) . This is physical and has nothing to do with a soul. Christ was referring to his physical body being at the point of death. If I'm accurate, then your theory of the soul not dying at death is not true at all.

 

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For the record..

I enjoy these discussions. They help me to stay sharp...keep me digging...help me to find out more about my Father, my loving Savior, my ardent Helper, and the people that I have been left with here on Earth. They push me toward a life of increased abundance, and that is thrilling.

The beauty of it all for me is that my eternity has already been settled, and the joy is watching my mortality unfold in reaping a harvest of people who will join me in eternity.

Thanks for making it interesting and uplifting.

 

[JayRob]

For the record..

I enjoy these discussions. They help me to stay sharp...keep me digging...help me to find out more about my Father, my loving Savior, my ardent Helper, and the people that I have been left with here on Earth. They push me toward a life of increased abundance, and that is thrilling.

The beauty of it all for me is that my eternity has already been settled, and the joy is watching my mortality unfold in reaping a harvest of people who will join me in eternity.

Thanks for making it interesting and uplifting.

Uhhh Dacon, according to Christianity, your eternity has not been settled. If you backslide tomorrow, you're doomed to an eternity and fate of an ever-burning hell fire forever and ever and ever.

Any how, I would like to compliment you on at least challenging and providing an answer as to why you believe what you believe, without copping out like some do. You're to be commended.

Now this is where you remind me of Paul in the market places debating with others as to why he believes what he believes.

 

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Where does scripture say that "the sea, referred to in Revelation 16:3, is located in hell?"
...

It doesn't. You asked how and I told you.

...What's the purpose of raising a dead body to life just to kill it again? That's redundant and doesn't make any sense at all...

It could be that there is something that is to be killed in addition to the body.

...Saul was a devout Jew and religious person. You are more like Saul than I am...

You are a devout something that you refuse to label and a religious person. You contend that Christ is a fable. You vehemently try to pursuade people against Him. I think you should reconsider your evaluation of me being more like Saul than you.

Where are the verses to support that the soul goes to Heaven and/or Hades. Hades means grave anyhow, so you must be saying that the soul is in the grave with the physical body? I can agree with that...

Luke 16. You probably think that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable. Most people do.

You still didn't explain the principle of the human spirit and the holy spirit. Both impart emotions, intellect, etc. If the human and holy spirit imparted such, what's the purpose of the soul?
Note: It doesn't take any holy spirit to forgive a person while one is being stoned. Any person can do that just by doing it...

The soul determines how the body responds/reacts, if at all.
As far as any person can forgive while being tortured ... why does the opposite occur 99.99999...99% of the time?
We are tripartite (body, soul, spirit) like God is tripartite (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). I emotions are inherent in spirit and intellect is acquired and has somewhat to do with exposure. Reference my earlier comment about you knowing more scripture that some people who walk with the Holy Spirit. Wisdom, virtue, revelation, and awareness/sensitivity are imparted. I think we can say that discipline is imparted to an extent, but don't pin me down on that. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with impartation.

...What verse says that Christ had a soul? Where did that soul go to and please provide verses to support your theory. I know his physical body went to the grave and his spirit allegedly went back to his father. It says nothing.....nothing about a soul going anywhere...

I guess you didn't look it up when I said...

Scripture tells us that Christ acknowledged His soul in Matthew 26:38. Jesus had a soul that he accounted for as a human. If He had one in His mortality, then we have one in ours.

His soul went three places: Paradise (Lk 23:43), Hades (1 Pet 3 - 4), and Heaven (1 Pet 4, Eph 1).

...There you go again, taking verses out of context. Here's what the verse says: "Then he said to them, My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."

Christ is clearly saying that his soul was about to die due to the stress he was under. Can stress kill the soul? Or....did Christ simply mean that his physical body was at the point of death? I'll take the latter due to putting it together with other verses. One verse describes him sweating as great drops of blood (And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.”
—Luke 22:44) . This is physical and has nothing to do with a soul. Christ was referring to his physical body being at the point of death. If I'm accurate, then your theory of the soul not dying at death is not true at all.

Well...I don't believe that you are accurate and I still respect your position. I don't believe that stress kills the soul. I do believe stress on the soul can result in the death of the body. I do believe the stress on Jesus' soul resulted in the heavy, draining sweats that He experienced in the garden - and for good reason. Sorrow is an emotion, not a disease, virus, infection, etc. Sorrow is in our minds, not our bodies. We have an autonomic nervous system in our bodies to regulate the other systems in our bodies; but our minds control the voluntary systems, which sometimes override the autonomic systems and can stress them (no pun intended) to a level that results in the death of the body.

 

[JayRob]

It doesn't. You asked how and I told you.

And you gave an "opinion", with no scripture to back it up. So in other words, you don't know.

It could be that there is something that is to be killed in addition to the body.

It COULD be?! Again, you're just stating an opinion, with no scripture to support that opinion.

You are a devout something that you refuse to label and a religious person. You contend that Christ is a fable. You vehemently try to pursuade people against Him. I think you should reconsider your evaluation of me being more like Saul than you.

I confidently state facts and hope that others would try and debunk them. Up until now, no one has done anything to disprove the stated fact that Christianity is a plagiarized religion, full of characteristics borrowed or stolen from other religions.

Luke 16. You probably think that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable. Most people do.

If it's not a parable how is it possible that physical parts of the body can be tortured as is mentioned in the chapter? It's not possible for fire to torture something spiritual. There you have it.

The soul determines how the body responds/reacts, if at all.
As far as any person can forgive while being tortured ... why does the opposite occur 99.99999...99% of the time?
We are tripartite (body, soul, spirit) like God is tripartite (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). I emotions are inherent in spirit and intellect is acquired and has somewhat to do with exposure. Reference my earlier comment about you knowing more scripture that some people who walk with the Holy Spirit. Wisdom, virtue, revelation, and awareness/sensitivity are imparted. I think we can say that discipline is imparted to an extent, but don't pin me down on that. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with impartation.

And what scripture did you derive at to come to this conclusion about the soul determining how the body responds/reacts?
And I AM pinning you down on anything you state. If you can't support it with your Bible, then I'm shocked and surprised that you'd believe such theories, especially those theories derived from Greek pagans about the nature of the soul.

I guess you didn't look it up when I said...
His soul went three places: Paradise (Lk 23:43), Hades (1 Pet 3 - 4), and Heaven (1 Pet 4, Eph 1).

First of all, Lk 23:43 says nothing about a soul being with Christ in paradise; as a matter of fact, scripture says the "spirit" of man goes back to god at death, not a soul. Second, 1 Pt 3-4 says nothing whatsoever about Christ's soul. 1Peter 4:6 says that if the body is dead, one can live in the "spirit". It mentions nothing about a soul, but it does mention the spirit. And third, Ephesians 1 mentions nothing about a soul going to heaven.
It seems that you just pulled verses out of thin air, perhaps hoping that I wouldn't check them out. You should know better than that. Neither of those verses support anything pertaining to a soul.

Well...I don't believe that you are accurate and I still respect your position. I don't believe that stress kills the soul. I do believe stress on the soul can result in the death of the body. I do believe the stress on Jesus' soul resulted in the heavy, draining sweats that He experienced in the garden - and for good reason. Sorrow is an emotion, not a disease, virus, infection, etc. Sorrow is in our minds, not our bodies. We have an autonomic nervous system in our bodies to regulate the other systems in our bodies; but our minds control the voluntary systems, which sometimes override the autonomic systems and can stress them (no pun intended) to a level that results in the death of the body.

Again, more of your opinions, with no verses supporting it.
Let's face it Dacon, you have very little, if any verses to support your tripartite theory. Every verse you point out, when appropriately reviewed and deciphered, show that none of the verses support your theory for a soul that goes to heaven or hell.
This is your way of wanting to compare this body, soul and spirit theory to some fictitious unbiblical trinity doctrine.

 

[dacontinent]

And you gave an "opinion", with no scripture to back it up. So in other words, you don't know.



It COULD be?! Again, you're just stating an opinion, with no scripture to support that opinion.



I confidently state facts and hope that others would try and debunk them. Up until now, no one has done anything to disprove the stated fact that Christianity is a plagiarized religion, full of characteristics borrowed or stolen from other religions.



If it's not a parable how is it possible that physical parts of the body can be tortured as is mentioned in the chapter? It's not possible for fire to torture something spiritual. There you have it.



And what scripture did you derive at to come to this conclusion about the soul determining how the body responds/reacts?
And I AM pinning you down on anything you state. If you can't support it with your Bible, then I'm shocked and surprised that you'd believe such theories, especially those theories derived from Greek pagans about the nature of the soul.



First of all, Lk 23:43 says nothing about a soul being with Christ in paradise; as a matter of fact, scripture says the "spirit" of man goes back to god at death, not a soul. Second, 1 Pt 3-4 says nothing whatsoever about Christ's soul. 1Peter 4:6 says that if the body is dead, one can live in the "spirit". It mentions nothing about a soul, but it does mention the spirit. And third, Ephesians 1 mentions nothing about a soul going to heaven.
It seems that you just pulled verses out of thin air, perhaps hoping that I wouldn't check them out. You should know better than that. Neither of those verses support anything pertaining to a soul.



Again, more of your opinions, with no verses supporting it.
Let's face it Dacon, you have very little, if any verses to support your tripartite theory. Every verse you point out, when appropriately reviewed and deciphered, show that none of the verses support your theory for a soul that goes to heaven or hell.
This is your way of wanting to compare this body, soul and spirit theory to some fictitious unbiblical trinity doctrine.

For a nice passage on the soul's control over the body, spend some time in Romans, particularly Chapter 7.


Facts.

• Where are your facts on what can or cannot destroy a soul?
• Where are your facts on what can or cannot destroy a spirit?

• Jesus' body went into Joseph's new tomb. The rest of Him went to Paradise, according to Luke.
• Peter, one of the three who walked closest with Jesus while here on earth, told us that he went into Hades and preached while His body was in Joseph's tomb.
• Paul, the apostle who was taken into the third heaven, wrote that Jesus - body and all - is now seated at the right of the Father.

It's all there, JayRob. You seem to want the Bible to be God's PDR or WedMD for everything that He ever did, does, or will do. If that is your position, then what is recorded there will never be enough for you. If something similar is recorded in another story - religious or not - that similarity or collection of similarities does not make the Bible inaccurate or less than authentic.

When I was installing my irrigation system a few years ago, I cracked my sewer line. After spending hours trying to repair it, the thought occurred to me that if I had a rubber cylinder of 4" diameter and two comparable O-rings, I could solve the problem. I went to Home Depot thinking that I had a million dollar idea that I could sell to the plumbing industry. I found out that the flex coupling was invented more than 100 years ago. My concept was legit and it came to me out of a necessity that I had never incurred. God is omnicient. He doesn't have a need to be legitimized by disclosing everything that He will use before its time in order to validate His concepts.

 

[JayRob]

For a nice passage on the soul's control over the body, spend some time in Romans, particularly Chapter 7.

As usual, it says nothing about a soul.

Facts.

[*]Where are your facts on what can or cannot destroy a soul?
[*]Where are your facts on what can or cannot destroy a spirit?

I've made several postings answering those very questions. Review them and you'll have your answer.

[*]Jesus' body went into Joseph's new tomb. The rest of Him went to Paradise, according to Luke.

The rest of him has nothing to do with a soul. It only mentions his body and commending his spirit to his father.

Peter, one of the three who walked closest with Jesus while here on earth, told us that he went into Hades and preached while His body was in Joseph's tomb.

He had to be a spirit being to do such. No need for a soul for that.

Paul, the apostle who was taken into the third heaven, wrote that Jesus - body and all - is now seated at the right of the Father.

Again, it says nothing about a soul. It's you whose implying the part about a soul.

It's all there, JayRob. You seem to want the Bible to be God's PDR or WedMD for everything that He ever did, does, or will do. If that is your position, then what is recorded there will never be enough for you. If something similar is recorded in another story - religious or not - that similarity or collection of similarities does not make the Bible inaccurate or less than authentic.

It's not all there, no matter how many times you say it. Your theory of a soul, mind and spirit are mere theories unsupported by the Bible.

When I was installing my irrigation system a few years ago, I cracked my sewer line. After spending hours trying to repair it, the thought occurred to me that if I had a rubber cylinder of 4" diameter and two comparable O-rings, I could solve the problem. I went to Home Depot thinking that I had a million dollar idea that I could sell to the plumbing industry. I found out that the flex coupling was invented more than 100 years ago. My concept was legit and it came to me out of a necessity that I had never incurred. God is omnicient. He doesn't have a need to be legitimized by disclosing everything that He will use before its time in order to validate His concepts.

There's the ole copout theory of "god-can-do-anything-he-wants-without-us-knowing" theory, to get one out of a sticky situation. When all else fails, rely on that. This oftentimes saves one from having to give a logical answer for his beliefs.