Big Ten looking to expand to 12 teams?


Deuce said:
Yeah, I never thought South Carolina was a good fit for the SEC. They really need to be in the ACC. Florida State was courted heavily by the SEC back when they first expanded, buth FSU wanted no part of the SEC. :lol: But I don't blame them. They RULED the ACC for years, and picked up a lot of that Duke, UNC basketball money along the way. :lol:

But you never really know what a school will do. Kentucky may be more interested in the Big Ten than you think . . . and the Big Ten may be more interested in Kentucy than you think too . . . And I disagree that they would be even worse in football in the Big Ten versus the SEC.
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Tulane, USC and Ga Tech once belonged to SEC. USC rejoined the SEC. If I am not mistaken FSU had some affiliation with SEC and So did Suwanee College in Tenn.

Actually USC was an independent after leaving the ACC and played a heavy SEC schedule. USC joined the SEC with Arkansas in 1992.
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Nothing else, other than the title game, matters?...:retard:


If you're in a BCS conference...ALL bowl games matter. And, 'how you play' in those bowl games are even more important. Leaving the previous season with a Bowl win is right up under how you did in recruiting, when it comes to the level of importance for those preseason polls.

If you're on the brink of being a Top 25, or even a Top 10 team, in 09. It behooves you to do well in your bowl game, and not get tossed up after a month of preparation.

Teams like TCU and Boise are on the brink of breaking the red tape of making it to the BCS championship game. You think that'll happen if they lose their respective bowl games? Their future leans on winning and being consistant in high profile bowl games.
 



About the ACC

The Atlantic Coast Conference was founded on May 8, 1953, at the Sedgefield Inn near Greensboro, N.C., with seven charter members - Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina and Wake Forest - drawing up the conference by-laws.

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On December 4, 1953, conference officials met again at Sedgefield and officially admitted the University of Virginia as the league’s eighth member. The first, and only, withdrawal of a school from the ACC came on June 30, 1971, when the University of South Carolina tendered its resignation.

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Southeastern Conference

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1991 expansion

In 1991, the SEC expanded from 10 to 12 members with the addition of:

University of Arkansas

University of South Carolina

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O'Bladerunner said:
Nothing else, other than the title game, matters?...:retard:


If you're in a BCS conference...ALL bowl games matter. And, 'how you play' in those bowl games are even more important. Leaving the previous season with a Bowl win is right up under how you did in recruiting, when it comes to the level of importance for those preseason polls.

If you're on the brink of being a Top 25, or even a Top 10 team, in 09. It behooves you to do well in your bowl game, and not get tossed up after a month of preparation.

Teams like TCU and Boise are on the brink of breaking the red tape of making it to the BCS championship game. You think that'll happen if they lose their respective bowl games? Their future leans on winning and being consistant in high profile bowl games.
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:rolleyes:
 
O'Bladerunner said:
Nothing else, other than the title game, matters?...:retard:


If you're in a BCS conference...ALL bowl games matter. And, 'how you play' in those bowl games are even more important. Leaving the previous season with a Bowl win is right up under how you did in recruiting, when it comes to the level of importance for those preseason polls.

If you're on the brink of being a Top 25, or even a Top 10 team, in 09. It behooves you to do well in your bowl game, and not get tossed up after a month of preparation.

Teams like TCU and Boise are on the brink of breaking the red tape of making it to the BCS championship game. You think that'll happen if they lose their respective bowl games? Their future leans on winning and being consistant in high profile bowl games.
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According to the BCS, both Boiseand TCU are BCS programs. In fact, the BCS denotes all FBS programs as BCS schools. (Go look it up). But neither team will gain much respect by beating each other compared to knocking off a Big Ten or SEC foe.

Another pro-bowl argument is that it's a positive reward for the players for a successful regular season. Because that's what major intercollegiate athletics are all about, rewarding teams for winning 50 percent of their games. If bowl games are about giving out prizes to people for being right just as often as they're wrong, they sound more like preschool than big-time athletics. They should start televising these bowl games on Nick Jr. or Noggin.


Right, they're also fun for the fans who get to travel to these games. Who doesn't love a nice vacation to Detroit or Boise in December or January? Here's a novel idea: Plan a real vacation with your family's interests in mind that doesn't revolve around spending four hours in a stadium watching a 7-5 team play an 8-4 team with virtually nothing on the line.


The fact is, the bowls don't matter anymore. Thanks to the BCS, there's just one postseason game that has any real significance whatsoever.
 
EB said:
About the ACC

The Atlantic Coast Conference was founded on May 8, 1953, at the Sedgefield Inn near Greensboro, N.C., with seven charter members - Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina and Wake Forest - drawing up the conference by-laws.

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On December 4, 1953, conference officials met again at Sedgefield and officially admitted the University of Virginia as the league’s eighth member. The first, and only, withdrawal of a school from the ACC came on June 30, 1971, when the University of South Carolina tendered its resignation.

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Southeastern Conference

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1991 expansion

In 1991, the SEC expanded from 10 to 12 members with the addition of:

University of Arkansas

University of South Carolina

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Yeah thanks, I had Tulane and South Carolina leaving the SEC, but it was actually Ga Tech and Tulane. USC was an Independent for a long time before joining the SEC. FSU was an independent for a long while too.
 
kendrick said:
According to the BCS, both Boiseand TCU are BCS programs. In fact, the BCS denotes all FBS programs as BCS schools. (Go look it up). But neither team will gain much respect by beating each other compared to knocking off a Big Ten or SEC foe.

Another pro-bowl argument is that it's a positive reward for the players for a successful regular season. Because that's what major intercollegiate athletics are all about, rewarding teams for winning 50 percent of their games. If bowl games are about giving out prizes to people for being right just as often as they're wrong, they sound more like preschool than big-time athletics. They should start televising these bowl games on Nick Jr. or Noggin.


Right, they're also fun for the fans who get to travel to these games. Who doesn't love a nice vacation to Detroit or Boise in December or January? Here's a novel idea: Plan a real vacation with your family's interests in mind that doesn't revolve around spending four hours in a stadium watching a 7-5 team play an 8-4 team with virtually nothing on the line.


The fact is, the bowls don't matter anymore. Thanks to the BCS, there's just one postseason game that has any real significance whatsoever.
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So going with your family on vacation to a football game is a less meaningful trip than going anywhere else? It's still quality time spent together as a family.
 
True, the conference is going to look for a school who fits academically, but I seriously doubt they will be able to pull a school like Mizzou or Iowa State away from the Big 12. It will likely be a school that comes from the Big East. I don't see C. Michigan or any other school from the MAC making the cut. They don't have the facilites.
 
SAME OLD G said:
True, the conference is going to look for a school who fits academically, but I seriously doubt they will be able to pull a school like Mizzou or Iowa State away from the Big 12. It will likely be a school that comes from the Big East. I don't see C. Michigan or any other school from the MAC making the cut. They don't have the facilites.
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I agree.

This is really Pittsburgh call to say yeah or nay in my opinion.

Even if Joe Pa objects. LOL. He don't run the Big 10. :D
 
Deuce said:
:rolleyes:
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That's not very elaborate...but, Im guessing this means, in your eyes, I was nowhere close. Please enlighten me on where I was wrong.

If you're in a BCS conference...ALL bowl games matter. And, 'how you play' in those bowl games are even more important. Leaving the previous season with a Bowl win is right up under how you did in recruiting, when it comes to the level of importance for those preseason polls.

If you're on the brink of being a Top 25, or even a Top 10 team, in 09. It behooves you to do well in your bowl game, and not get tossed up after a month of preparation.

Teams like TCU and Boise are on the brink of breaking the red tape of making it to the BCS championship game. You think that'll happen if they lose their respective bowl games? Their future leans on winning and being consistant in high profile bowl games
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The importance of the Bowls (in name) in the minds of the Bowl committees might be blown out of proportion. But, each game is important to each program. Esp, the BCS schools in these BCS conferences.

If you're a coach...considering your job, could you afford to give your team a hint of the attitude that whatever bowl game is not important?
 
O'Bladerunner said:
That's not very elaborate...but, Im guessing this means, in your eyes, I was nowhere close. Please enlighten me on where I was wrong.
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O'Bladerunner,

I'm just messin' with you, man.

I gave you a :rolleyes: because I was just having fun when I said the other bowl games didn't matter, and you came back with a big-time intellectual dissertation. :lol: Its all good, though. :lol:
 
Styles said:
Hopefully the Big Ten will change their name if a 12th team is added.
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They didn't change it when they added an 11th member. So I really don't expect them to change it if they add a 12th.
 
O'Bladerunner said:
That's not very elaborate...but, Im guessing this means, in your eyes, I was nowhere close. Please enlighten me on where I was wrong.



The importance of the Bowls (in name) in the minds of the Bowl committees might be blown out of proportion. But, each game is important to each program. Esp, the BCS schools in these BCS conferences.

If you're a coach...considering your job, could you afford to give your team a hint of the attitude that whatever bowl game is not important?
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All schools are bcs programs. it is not just exclusive to the sec, big ten, acc and pac-10. the mac is a bcs conference, c-usa is a bcs conference. the acryonm is just used wrong by the media. the actual term is automatic qualifier to describe those six power conferences.


you can talk about how much winning the mc computers.com or international bowl or the weedeater bowl is to a coach’s job status or winning a high profile bowl might boost pre season rankings.


But at the end of the day those games don’t mean anything in terms of championship implications. you can dress it up all you want, but that is the bottom line when it comes to these games not texas-bama. even if tcu or boise wins the fiesta bowl, there is no guarantee those teams will play for the national title even if they go undefeated again.


Boise has finished the regular season undefeated four times this decade and has yet to play for the national title.


these games are for entertainment purposes only. if every regular season game meant something as the football scribes and analysts want us to believe, why are .500 teams rewarded with an extra game just like the five undefeated teams are?
 



CATMENDUE2 said:
Tulane, USC and Ga Tech once belonged to SEC. USC rejoined the SEC. If I am not mistaken FSU had some affiliation with SEC and So did Suwanee College in Tenn.

Actually USC was an independent after leaving the ACC and played a heavy SEC schedule. USC joined the SEC with Arkansas in 1992.
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Tech left the SEC due to a dispute between Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant. FL St has never been affiliated with the SEC. It was a women school and did not accept men until the late 1950s or early 1960s.
 
chrisd said:
Then state your point. Going to bowl games as a vacation is bad because????
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There is nothing wrong with vacationing at a bowl site. If folks want to go, then they can go. But that is not the larger argument here. Bowl games are meaningless and have always been meaningless when it does not involve national championship implications. Period.

As a fan of college football, tell me why I should be interested in watching two 7-4 teams play each other in some bowl game in Canada? There is nothing really at stake in that game at all. Why should I be glued to the TV for 6-6 teams "battling" in Florida on Christmas Eve?

Even the Rose Bowl, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls don't do it for me either. Those schools are just playing for pride.

Now someone earlier said that a win by a Boise or TCU could help them boost their status among the elite teams. That is not true at all.

Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl last season as well all know. However, coming into the 2009 season Utah was preseason No. 18 and 'Bama was preseason No. 5.

Utah STILL did not gain any respect even after beating a team that was ranked No. 1 in the country a week before the season ended.

Remember when Boise State beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl to cap off a perfect 13-0 season? Well, the following year the Broncos were ranked preseason No. 24. The Sooners were ranked preseason No. 8.

So you are telling me that the Boise-TCU Fiesta Bowl will matter to the winner? I don't think so.

I am all for what is good for college football. And playing 33 games that have no value when it comes to championships is not good for college football.
 
SAME OLD G said:
True, the conference is going to look for a school who fits academically, but I seriously doubt they will be able to pull a school like Mizzou or Iowa State away from the Big 12. It will likely be a school that comes from the Big East. I don't see C. Michigan or any other school from the MAC making the cut. They don't have the facilites.
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I don't agree. The Big 10 is a more powerful conference than the Big 12. Also, some of you amaze me. Of course, Notre Dame would be the ideal addition BUT the best choices for Big 10 expansion are Nebraska and Kansas.
 
Tigerpride said:
I don't agree. The Big 10 is a more powerful conference than the Big 12. Also, some of you amaze me. Of course, Notre Dame would be the ideal addition BUT the best choices for Big 10 expansion are Nebraska and Kansas.
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No way in hell Nebraska and Kansas (original members of the Big 8) leave the Big 12 to go to the Big 10. I promise you that will not happen.
 
Nebraska would be foolish to leave the Big 12, and so would Mizzou.

Both play in the Big 12 North..which is the BCS equivalent of the SWAC East. Why would they give that easy road to a BCS bowl just to play in the Big 10?

Mizzou has the better hoops pedigree than Nebraska (men's wise, the women are good).

By the way....it's $10 million to leave the Big East.. Joe Schadd just said that on ESPN. They upped that after the ACC raided the Big East for Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech.
 
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