St. Augustine High School in New Orleans.

[Saiku]

Man folks talked about Christ, so what's your point? Christ performed miracles documented by every religion in the world, yet folks still say he isn't their savior. Now how does every religion in the world recognize his greatness but still say he wasn't the savior? Point is folks will always find fault. You can't save every child. Some folks just want make it. Some things are really in our genes. You can't escape it, unless you decide you want to escape it. If I know my parents are alcoholics, that means it's a 99% chance I will be also. That means I shouldn't drank. Get it?

I seriously think my point has been lost...I have made my points in my opening post. For a school that likes to consider it self the best in the city, it sure is turning out some fairly iffy individuals. I am beginning to wonder if St. Aug has built it's reputation off the failures of Orleans Parish Public schools and if that's the case much of St. Aug's aura is primarily delusions of grandeur.

In terms of success, the Atlanta woman I mentioned in my opening post dated a St. Aug alum, he also happened to be a Tulane Alum. She noted that he and his friends had a very ass-backwards way of interacting with women and had a tendency to act every immature and "suspect" if you will.

 

[Saiku]

Man how many kids you know who want to go to whatever school they go to? LOL Public OR private.

But when the private school is all male and uses corporal punishment.......

 

[jag4life]

But when the private school is all male and uses corporal punishment.......

Kids don't even want to go to public schools in their neighbohoods that DON'T use corporal punishment and that pass damn near aren't allowed to fail them... so what is the difference?

 

[Saiku]

Kids don't even want to go to public schools in their neighbohoods that DON'T use corporal punishment and that pass damn near aren't allowed to fail them... so what is the difference?

You are talking about delinquent children who need extra help in life. I'm talking about children who at worse might be the products of unwed single mothers.

The point of this thread is quickly free falling to the bottom of the ocean, this thread is not about kids generally hating school, not really even about corporal punishment.

This is about a seemingly recurring theme amongst people who have dealt with St. Aug grads. When I first heard somebody go-in on a St. Aug Alum I just chalked into to a general distaste that some in New Orleans have towards St. Aug. But when I began to hear other things and began to here these things over and over, I began to wonder maybe those old methods that worked in the past aren't exactly working today and are producing some strange results and now that I have a St. Augustine student under my roof, I'm highly curious.

 

[ALPHA3]

St. Aug is a private school and it is widely know the type of young men that come out of the school. If you don't want your son to be subjected to that type of punishment, take your kid and your money to some other school.

Great response CD. As a graduate of St.Aug I will respond to this later when I'm at home and not pissed.

Ever since St.Augustine was founded, it has been the leading school for black males in New Orleans. St.Aug has always had a tradition of high academic standards, strong discipline and pride. Everyone knows that St.Augustine uses the paddle for disciplinary reasons. A student at the Aug will think twice before they disrespect someone, arrive late to school or show up not in the proper uniform. Discipline is the reason why the "Marching 100" is well known around the country. If your nephew doesn't want to be there, his parents should take him out. They are paying tuition and I don't think the Aug is giving scholarships out at this time. When a young black male leaves St.Augustine you better be believe he's ready to be a leader. I'm not going to speak for every purple knight so I'll only give you my perspective. I've been around St.Aug Alums all my life dad(68) uncle (76) another uncle (83), so I knew what the deal was early on. I was paddled a few times for various reasons, but it only helped me to be a better person. I bet I learned how to knot my tie and shine my shoes the correct way. This is why my clothing game is on point now. St.Aug taught us to give 101% while everyone else is giving 100%. Don't get me wrong we have our share of black sheep, but we also have our share of shining stars. All I can say is that if the lil dude doesn't want to be there, take him out now. As far as the women you mentioned, there problem is that they didn't holla at me. We're taught to be leaders in the community and everday life. With that said checkout the following list.

Sidney Barthelemy, mayor of New Orleans, 1986-1994
Nat Dorsey, class of 2001, Player for the Cleveland Browns
Victor Goins, musician, Wynton Marsalis Quartet, former artistic director of Juilliard's Jazz Studies program
Cortez Hankton, class of 1998 NFL player for the Minnesota Vikings
Tyrone Hughes, class of 1988, former New Orleans Saints kick returner
Louis Age, class of 1988, former NFL Offensive Tackle Chicago Bears
Leroy Hoard, class of 1986, former NFL running back for the Clevland Browns and Minnesota Vikings
Avery Johnson, class of 1983, Former NBA player and NBA coach
Donald Royal, class of 1983, former NBA player Orlando Magic
Kerry Kittles, former NBA star
Harold Sylvester, actor
Carl Weathers, actor
Stan Verrett, sportscaster, ESPN
Mack Maine rapper, Young Money
Derrick M.J. Francis, radio personality and business owner
DJ Black N Mild DJ, producer & radio personality
BenJarvus Green-Ellis, running back for the New England Patriots
Louis Oubre, former NFL player for the New England Patriots
Derrick Rodgers, NFL player for the Miami Dolphins
Lonnie Marts, NFL player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
James Hall, NFL player for the St. Louis Rams
Paul Irons, AAFL player for Team Michigan
Sam Holden, NFL player for the New Orleans Saints
Marcus Quinn, NFL player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brian Taylor, NFL player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Oliver Celestin, NFL player for the New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals, Seattle Seahawks, and Kansas City Chiefs
Jerry Reese, NFL player for the Kansas City Chiefs
Sidney Brown, NFL player for the New England Patriots
Chris Cowart, NFL player for the San Diego Chargers
Alfred Jenkins, former NFL player for the Atlanta Falcons
Raynoch Thompson, NFL player for the Arizona Cardinals
Tyrone Hughes, NFL player for the New Orleans Saints
James Hall, NFL player for the Detroit Lions
Jackie Wallace, NFL player for the Minnesota Vikings and St. Louis Rams
Jason Wiltz, NFL player for the New York .Jets
Derrick Lewis, AFL player for the New Orleans VooDoo
Alfred Jenkins, NFL player for the Miami Dolphins
David White, NFL player for the Buffalo Bills
Glenn Alexander, NFL player for the Buffalo Bills
Harold Nash, current strength and conditioning coach for the New England Patriots
Donovan J Smith, Dentist & Practice Owner, Affordable Dentures, Lafayette,LA
George M. Gates IV MPA. Esq, Chief Operating Officer & Owner, The Gatescom Group, Washington DC

Other notables:
St. Aug led the way in battling segregation in New Orleans. The successful legal challenges led by the school and lawyer A.P. Tureaud resulted in the de-segregation of high school athletics in Louisiana, so that by the end of the 1960s St Augustine teams could play against teams from white schools. The“Marching 100” was the first African-American high school band to march in the REX parade on Mardi Gras Day. The "Marching 100" has also played for the Pope, Super Bowls, and Presidential inaugurations.

 

[ALPHA3]

I been living in New Orleans all my life, I had no idea A.P. Tureaud was also referred to as London Ave. ..lol

Yeah J that is why that canal is still named the London Ave canal. I think they changed the name in the late 70's or early 80's. I'll ask my dad to confirm.

 

[ALPHA3]

I seriously think my point has been lost...I have made my points in my opening post. For a school that likes to consider it self the best in the city, it sure is turning out some fairly iffy individuals. I am beginning to wonder if St. Aug has built it's reputation off the failures of Orleans Parish Public schools and if that's the case much of St. Aug's aura is primarily delusions of grandeur.

In terms of success, the Atlanta woman I mentioned in my opening post dated a St. Aug alum, he also happened to be a Tulane Alum. She noted that he and his friends had a very ass-backwards way of interacting with women and had a tendency to act every immature and "suspect" if you will.

Are you serious? I guess that's why the girls from St.Mary's, Xavier Prep, Cabrini, Ursuline 35 and Kennedy were always on our fence at 3:15 everyday after school. What school did you attend? What is your profession?

 

[SUtrp96]

Yeah J that is why that canal is still named the London Ave canal. I think they changed the name in the late 70's or early 80's. I'll ask my dad to confirm.

that's true.. it do run straight into the London Canal....right after you get past I believe that's New Orleans street right after it turns from Broad...?

 

[SUtrp96]

Duece you trippen brah...

To say you had fam that went to the Aug.. just like I did... you saying som off the wall arse stuff about them bra...

:tdown:

 

[jsupop33]

Out of all the interns I worked with on the campaign, the st. Aug kids were the best...

 

[DAHILL]

I got paddled so much that I think I became immune to the pain... Did it help me.. no... did it hurt me... no...

we got it a lil bit worst than the video.... they would pull our pants up our ass (wedgie) then swing on us.... The paddle at our school was called the Black Horse.... by the time I got to high school, you had a choice.. 3 licks or 3 days.

 

[Saiku]

Are you serious? I guess that's why the girls from St.Mary's, Xavier Prep, Cabrini, Ursuline 35 and Kennedy were always on our fence at 3:15 everyday after school. What school did you attend? What is your profession?

This has nothing to do with me, my profession and what girls congregate at the back fence. I listed things that people have noticed in St. Aug alums especially fairly recent ones and you did not address these claims. You are falling on past accolades and describing why getting paddled worked for you.

Duece you trippen brah...

To say you had fam that went to the Aug.. just like I did... you saying som off the wall arse stuff about them bra...

:tdown:

Having St. Aug alums in my family don't make them immune to criticism. I'm not putting all of St. Aug grads down. But as I said before, the first time I heard somebody shit on a St. Aug grad I chalked it to the general jealousy and dislike that some people in New Orleans have for them, but when I began to hear the same things over and over and then began to see them with my own eyes, I had to ask.

 

[MACBFAC]

I graduated from a private black catholic school here in Montgomery (St.Jude)
Hell I got the paddle a few times....well more than a few Lol....
Corporal punishment is what is needed in the schools today, believe you me it would change a whole lotta foolishness going on in today's schools

 

[Saiku]

This thread is not about corporal punishment.

 

[Seeing Spots]

Yes, this thread is about corporeal punishment! It is the very basis of your hypothesis. WTH? :idea:

What I want to know is, you propose to us to "do something" about St. Aug and their policy about paddling and other means by which they are educating their students. But as native New Orleanians are occasioned to say, "we ain't got a nickel in that quarter". :retard: :noidea: I have jurisdiction over everything that happens at Southern University and A & M College Laboratory School because that's where my child attends school and where my tution monies are paid. My voice is heard there! Seems to me that only those of us who have children there or are alums or on the Catholic School Board, have a right of action.

I suggest you copy your comments and the video and email/disseminate to the PARENTS of students at St. Augustine High School, the Diocese of New Orleans, Catholic School Board and any other affected populace. :idea:

Jax, I held my breath and scrolled down slowly waiting on A3's response. :scared: He did good, he did good! :lol:

 

[ALPHA3]

This has nothing to do with me, my profession and what girls congregate at the back fence. I listed things that people have noticed in St. Aug alums especially fairly recent ones and you did not address these claims. You are falling on past accolades and describing why getting paddled worked for you.




Having St. Aug alums in my family don't make them immune to criticism. I'm not putting all of St. Aug grads down. But as I said before, the first time I heard somebody shit on a St. Aug grad I chalked it to the general jealousy and dislike that some people in New Orleans have for them, but when I began to hear the same things over and over and then began to see them with my own eyes, I had to ask.

All I can admit is that post-katrina the school really has had to start over with everything. I can't explain to you why people feel a certain way about St.Aug grads. Several people on here know me and they can tell you the type of person I am. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you hear. Maybe it's the general jealousy and dislike people have for us. The last time I checked St.Aug grads are still doing big things.

RISE SONS!

 

[Saiku]

Yes, this thread is about corporeal punishment! It is the very basis of your hypothesis. WTH? :idea:

What I want to know is, you propose to us to "do something" about St. Aug and their policy about paddling and other means by which they are educating their students. But as native New Orleanians are occasioned to say, "we ain't got a nickel in that quarter". :retard: :noidea: I have jurisdiction over everything that happens at Southern University and A & M College Laboratory School because that's where my child attends school and where my tution monies are paid. My voice is heard there! Seems to me that only those of us who have children there or are alums or on the Catholic School Board, have a right of action.

I suggest you copy your comments and the video and email/disseminate to the PARENTS of students at St. Augustine High School, the Diocese of New Orleans, Catholic School Board and any other affected populace. :idea:

Jax, I held my breath and scrolled down slowly waiting on A3's response. :scared: He did good, he did good! :lol:

The basis of the hypothesis is whether or not the all male, militaristic environment of St. Aug is arresting the social development of young men. Go back to my very first post and look at the things I listed, The things that the Atlanta woman told me, employers and what I saw in college. As I have said many times in this thread, at first it was isolated incidents of people whom you could tell were just hating but when after talking in depth with others I began to wonder and now with a St. Aug student under my roof I'm quite curious.

Are St. Augustine's methods antiquated? Are these boys graduating socially lagging behind others?

 

[Shamocha]

The basis of the hypothesis is whether or not the all male, militaristic environment of St. Aug is arresting the social development of young men. Go back to my very first post and look at the things I listed, The things that the Atlanta woman told me, employers and what I saw in college. As I have said many times in this thread, at first it was isolated incidents of people whom you could tell were just hating but when after talking in depth with others I began to wonder and now with a St. Aug student under my roof I'm quite curious.

Are St. Augustine's methods antiquated? Are these boys graduating socially lagging behind others?

I've met a couple of grads and they seemed to be driven, respectful, and all-around good guys. There will always be a couple of rotten apples in the bunch, so maybe that's what you're getting feedback on. You asked a question of whether or not they are arresting the social development, but then said to stop talking about the past. If you're asking for a historical track record, you can't be upset when the one that is presented is contrary to your hypothesis. As far as the one under your roof is concerned, you may need to look to his upbringing before blaming the school.

 

[ALPHA3]

The basis of the hypothesis is whether or not the all male, militaristic environment of St. Aug is arresting the social development of young men. Go back to my very first post and look at the things I listed, The things that the Atlanta woman told me, employers and what I saw in college. As I have said many times in this thread, at first it was isolated incidents of people whom you could tell were just hating but when after talking in depth with others I began to wonder and now with a St. Aug student under my roof I'm quite curious.

Are St. Augustine's methods antiquated? Are these boys graduating socially lagging behind others?

It seems to me that you have something against St.Aug. Some of the same stuff goes on at Jesuit, Brother Martin, Shaw and Rummel.

 

[players]

This thread is not about corporal punishment.

What Highschool did you graduate from.
Do everybody that did not graduate from your highschool view all of YOU as above average or do some say the same thing's about where you come from.
The way you talk, everyone from your highschool came away with 4.o GPA, are the best at everything, and are the most socially equipped people on Earth.

You say you talked to a FEW women and you have used that to condem an entire body of student's that graduate from there.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I was just wondering about the part in bold up there.
Just asking.

 

[JR]

The basis of the hypothesis is whether or not the all male, militaristic environment of St. Aug is arresting the social development of young men. Go back to my very first post and look at the things I listed, The things that the Atlanta woman told me, employers and what I saw in college. As I have said many times in this thread, at first it was isolated incidents of people whom you could tell were just hating but when after talking in depth with others I began to wonder and now with a St. Aug student under my roof I'm quite curious.

Are St. Augustine's methods antiquated? Are these boys graduating socially lagging behind others?

So do you feel the same way about all these private all male schools that these rich white folk send their kids too? Some of those grads are sitting at the top of the food chain at major corporations in the US. So I assume you do not like the methods of these type of schools and think it hampers the social skills of kids. I mean what St. Aug is doing aint no different than some of these rich private all male schools the socially elite send their sons too. I got a few co-workers who went to those type of Catholic schools. I commend the fact that the black community in New Orleans has a school like St. Aug. I am sure some things can be done better. But that is any school. To me it looks like they do more good than harm.

 

[JR]

Morris and Gavin are St. Aug grads JR and you know how they feel about their highschool.
You say something bad about that school in front of them and you got a fight on your hands.
They were named St. Aug I and St. Aug II when they pledged at JState 2 years apart.
1981(St. Aug I) and 1983(St. Aug II). :lol:

You shole is right frat. Morris and Gavin got nothing but love for the Aug. My LB Peabody is the same way. He went to St. Aug with them although he a was a few grades behind them. Them St. Aug cats I marched with in the Juke certainly had pride about themselves I can tell you that. In and out of the bandroom. They didn't seem to have any issues from going there. I am sure the Juke made them feel right at home since we were all male back then. LOL.

 

[Jaguar99]

The basis of the hypothesis is whether or not the all male, militaristic environment of St. Aug is arresting the social development of young men. Go back to my very first post and look at the things I listed, The things that the Atlanta woman told me, employers and what I saw in college. As I have said many times in this thread, at first it was isolated incidents of people whom you could tell were just hating but when after talking in depth with others I began to wonder and now with a St. Aug student under my roof I'm quite curious.

Are St. Augustine's methods antiquated? Are these boys graduating socially lagging behind others?

Lol..........Wait so you think that most of the recent graduates from St. Aug are suspect. I want to know how do you know that my classmates and myself are so called suspect? Have you visited St. Aug and sit in classes to find this out or hang out with the students at lunch? If you haven't you can't say any students are suspect because I knew about 4 dudes out of 127 graduates in my 2008 class and they all were on color guard. You really sound like a hater because every school in the city of new orleans has suspect students in there school. If your St. Aug is influencing young men to be gay then your just like them public school dudes who hate on us because we took they girl. Go do a study on Jesuit or Brother Martin you will find a lot of fags there.

Rise Sons of the Gold and Purple!!!

 

[ALPHA3]

Lol..........Wait so you think that most of the recent graduates from St. Aug are suspect. I want to know how do you know that my classmates and myself are so called suspect? Have you visited St. Aug and sit in classes to find this out or hang out with the students at lunch? If you haven't you can't say any students are suspect because I knew about 4 dudes out of 127 graduates in my 2008 class and they all were on color guard. You really sound like a hater because every school in the city of new orleans has suspect students in there school. If your St. Aug is influencing young men to be gay then your just like them public school dudes who hate on us because we took they girl. Go do a study on Jesuit or Brother Martin you will find a lot of fags there.

Rise Sons of the Gold and Purple!!!

Young Knight it's going to be okay.

 

[SU Jag 79]

I respect the tradition and history of St. Augustine and if I was born in New Orleans, I think that this school would have served me well. But alas, I'm not Catholic and I was born in Baton Rouge.

I have met several young men from the Aug and they have been intelligent and productive. Every school has it's few that don't get the message.

Case in point .... Baton Rouge Magnet High School is widely known as the "nerd" school in our city. We were also known as the hippie school, the gay school, etc, etc. Students elsewhere looked down on us because we did what they couldn't or what they wouldn't. No where else in the city does a graduation bring MILLIONS of dollars in scholarships to Ivy League schools and some of the best in the country. As a 1997 BRMHS graduate, I passed on a chance to attend Capitol (my home school) to get what I thought was a better opportunity. I knew doing that would probably end any dream I had of playing football, like I wanted.

However, I knew what I wanted. Some of my classmates did not understand the opportunity BRMHS gives. College recruiters STAYED in our school. It was just like a football coach coming in .... they come to see the best and before they walk out, they may see someone with potential and give them a chance .... that was me. I didn't have a 3.95 with a 32 ACT as some did. Hell, I didn't even want an Ivy League school. My 3.3 and 25 ACT gave me exactly what I wanted .... opoortunities at Florida, FAMU, Texas A & M and any state school, but ultimately, I wanted Southern. But the chance was there. Some of my classmates wasted that opportunity just like I'm willing to bet some of those young men did coming from St. Aug.

St. Aug is special just like I think BRMHS is. These schools give their students the opportunities to do MORE than the usual. I fully support the methods used in both to get the best young men (and women at BRMHS).

Maybe these young men you have heard about didn't get the proper preparation at HOME before attending St. Aug. I found this out when I returned to BRMHS as a teacher in 2003. The school was the same in how we expected more from students. The students and more importantly, their parents, were not.