Jafus (Thinker)
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Southernese, Hmmmmm!! Interesting Get Ready!!
Langston (okla.) in the SWAC?
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Southernese, Hmmmmm!! Interesting Get Ready!!
Blu Panther
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I see folks talking about best BCF program...again, ain't looking beyond.
And who cares about the 1993 tournament win? You got the high seed due to you all upsetting JSU and Lindsay Hunter. The selection show was before the game and they assumed JSU would win. It's odd your program didn't benefit from it because 10 years later you have been passed.
And who cares about the 1993 tournament win? You got the high seed due to you all upsetting JSU and Lindsay Hunter. The selection show was before the game and they assumed JSU would win. It's odd your program didn't benefit from it because 10 years later you have been passed.
JROCK
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GR speaking of "logical people," was this a logical choice?
Prognosis for Tenure: Jackson State athletic director Roy Culberson has taken some heat for the handling of his department since being hired in April of 2000, and his hiring of Bell straight out of a 1-9 high school program did nothing to quell the debate. A closer look at Bell?s track record is cause for some worry. In his 14 years as an assistant at Division I programs (I-A or I-AA), Bell?s teams compiled an overall record of 57-97-1 (.370), and he has been a part of just three that had winning ledgers. In addition, Bell has no ties to Jackson State or the SWAC, facts that upset a number of Jackson State boosters. A skimpy first recruiting class is not a good sign, although six home games (JSU had just three in ?02) will at least give the veteran Tigers a chance. Bell will have to work hard to prove his detractors wrong in his first head coaching assignment.
Prognosis for Tenure: Jackson State athletic director Roy Culberson has taken some heat for the handling of his department since being hired in April of 2000, and his hiring of Bell straight out of a 1-9 high school program did nothing to quell the debate. A closer look at Bell?s track record is cause for some worry. In his 14 years as an assistant at Division I programs (I-A or I-AA), Bell?s teams compiled an overall record of 57-97-1 (.370), and he has been a part of just three that had winning ledgers. In addition, Bell has no ties to Jackson State or the SWAC, facts that upset a number of Jackson State boosters. A skimpy first recruiting class is not a good sign, although six home games (JSU had just three in ?02) will at least give the veteran Tigers a chance. Bell will have to work hard to prove his detractors wrong in his first head coaching assignment.
Jafus (Thinker)
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JROCK,
Interesting thought process you have. Yes, you are trying to discount (and blantantly ignore) the historical accomplishment"s" of Prairie View A & M as well as discount the recent strides and success of Prairie View A & M's athletics program. Even more insane is the fact that you refuse to evaluate Southern's athletics program, especially in reference to the second revenue generating sports of basketball.
In reference to the complexion of athletics changing since the NAIA Championship won by Prairie View A&M. But again I suppose the complexion of athletics have not change since Southern won NCAA Tournament game (you wanted to bring up that history fact) as well as over the last 2 years in regards to the record of Southern's basketball program (you chose to ingnore, while talking about Prairie VIew A & M football record irrevelant to the facts that we fired our coach).
I see you refuse to acknowledge the problem with your basketball program and its inablity to complete in "recent" history at the NCAA Division I level. Be known that Southern's basketball record is (16-40) over the last two years. So, I suggest that Southern University has chosen not to invest in the basketball program.
While you may want to asert that Arkansas-Pine Bluff programs belongs at the NCAA Division II level, it should also be duelly noted that Arkansas-Pine Bluff's basketball program as improved over the last two years when compared to Southern's basketball program.
I suppose Prairie View A&M investment in a new football arena, new football coach, new baseball coach, a new basketball coach whom went 17-12 in his inaugural season on route to winning the regular season SWAC Championship has no merit in Prairie View A&M University investing in the athletic program as opposed to the investment that Southern in investing in its basketball program. I suppose this is what Get Ready's statement is in reference too.
But, I digress. Again, I challenge you in argument, in now what is becoming your absurb statement (with no merritt) that the athletic programs of Prairie View A&M, Arkanas-Pine Bluff, as well as Langton (which I must also mention as been more competitive at it given level than Southern has at its respective level) should operate at the NCAA Division II level.
Please, base your argument with information supporting your assertion of athletic operating cost, budgets, and revenue for the school year of 2001-2002 (recent past), 2002-2003(present), and 2003-2004 (immediate future forecast), this past year and the present. Since you want to talk about the present complextion of athletics.
Interesting thought process you have. Yes, you are trying to discount (and blantantly ignore) the historical accomplishment"s" of Prairie View A & M as well as discount the recent strides and success of Prairie View A & M's athletics program. Even more insane is the fact that you refuse to evaluate Southern's athletics program, especially in reference to the second revenue generating sports of basketball.
In reference to the complexion of athletics changing since the NAIA Championship won by Prairie View A&M. But again I suppose the complexion of athletics have not change since Southern won NCAA Tournament game (you wanted to bring up that history fact) as well as over the last 2 years in regards to the record of Southern's basketball program (you chose to ingnore, while talking about Prairie VIew A & M football record irrevelant to the facts that we fired our coach).
I see you refuse to acknowledge the problem with your basketball program and its inablity to complete in "recent" history at the NCAA Division I level. Be known that Southern's basketball record is (16-40) over the last two years. So, I suggest that Southern University has chosen not to invest in the basketball program.
While you may want to asert that Arkansas-Pine Bluff programs belongs at the NCAA Division II level, it should also be duelly noted that Arkansas-Pine Bluff's basketball program as improved over the last two years when compared to Southern's basketball program.
I suppose Prairie View A&M investment in a new football arena, new football coach, new baseball coach, a new basketball coach whom went 17-12 in his inaugural season on route to winning the regular season SWAC Championship has no merit in Prairie View A&M University investing in the athletic program as opposed to the investment that Southern in investing in its basketball program. I suppose this is what Get Ready's statement is in reference too.
But, I digress. Again, I challenge you in argument, in now what is becoming your absurb statement (with no merritt) that the athletic programs of Prairie View A&M, Arkanas-Pine Bluff, as well as Langton (which I must also mention as been more competitive at it given level than Southern has at its respective level) should operate at the NCAA Division II level.
Please, base your argument with information supporting your assertion of athletic operating cost, budgets, and revenue for the school year of 2001-2002 (recent past), 2002-2003(present), and 2003-2004 (immediate future forecast), this past year and the present. Since you want to talk about the present complextion of athletics.
BgJag
Jaguar Nation
You can't be serious. This is the sport board so I'll try to keep my comments as such. The Swac has to base their decision to expand on present performance not past glory. What have you done lately consistantly, not what you did 4 decades ago. A athletic program is base on more than the two revenue producing sport as it is in the SWAC. There are 17 sports programs in the SWAC. Last year we won titles in 7 or 8. The problems we have incounter in basketball is mire personal than investment, although I was against Jobes returning he just might be back for one more year. The person/people than will make that decision will meet soon and I'll hope the be there to voice my 2 cents.
Our football field will be replace before the season start, have a new baseball field plus the concession and baseball office building in funded. Also will start this year on the athletics complex. These are just a few of the capital improvement projects we have ongoing are in the near future. We have something to show for our dollars, do you?
A little known fact: (1)Southern is the only school that has titles in all 17 sports. (2) No one have won more championship than Southern.
Jafus (Thinker)
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JROCK,
Exactly, I figured you could not handle it nor could you do it.
Exactly, I figured you could not handle it nor could you do it.
Get Ready
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So....whats your point?
If I put Dougs record up before he got to Grambling, what would you say. This guy has an opnion, but its an outside one at best. He talked about our recruiting, and I could go on and on about the players we brought in, but I digress. We had the best recruiting class in the SWAC with only 8 available scholarships.
And finally, I know our new coach is 100 times better than the old guy. My coaching staff is 100 times better. While you are promoting guys that helped you to a 7th place SWAC defense, we went and got better. Get Ready for another long season.
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
THIS IS BASED ON WHAT???
Jafus (Thinker)
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BgJag,
Yes, my comments are serious. You should ask that of JROCK. But, I am sure you would like to ingnore the truths as well.
I appreciate that. I wish others posters would consier that fact as well.
I disagree. Usually most conference (commissioner & presidents) based expansion on whether the school that is to be considered for expansion is a "good" fit. I believe this is the exact phrased that was used by our current Commissioner, when the questioned was raised concerning SWAC expansion. In fact, a good fit usually surrounds such issues as, geographically (traveling logistics); quality of facilities (size, modern admentities, & any capital projects); financial stability (academics and athletics); level of commitment (athletics and academics); and academic status (variety of academic programs and their national, regional rankings).
Truth be told your present performance (or past glory for that mater) has very little bearing on the functionality of a conference when it come to expansion. It is the level of "commitment" (leadership, capital, planning, and growth), an institutions has to its athletic programs that usually determine, how much success an institution brings when evaluating its impact on the conference it joined.
I am aware that an athletic program is based on more than two revenue producing sports. My statement was in regards to the competitiveness of the two revenue producing sports of football and football, when comparing the two SWAC programs of Prairie View A & M and Southern.
Are you not stating for a fact that Southern's basketball program is not competitive at the NCAA Division I level at this point in time?
In my opinion the reason is irrevelant.
Yes, my comments are serious. You should ask that of JROCK. But, I am sure you would like to ingnore the truths as well.
I appreciate that. I wish others posters would consier that fact as well.
I disagree. Usually most conference (commissioner & presidents) based expansion on whether the school that is to be considered for expansion is a "good" fit. I believe this is the exact phrased that was used by our current Commissioner, when the questioned was raised concerning SWAC expansion. In fact, a good fit usually surrounds such issues as, geographically (traveling logistics); quality of facilities (size, modern admentities, & any capital projects); financial stability (academics and athletics); level of commitment (athletics and academics); and academic status (variety of academic programs and their national, regional rankings).
Truth be told your present performance (or past glory for that mater) has very little bearing on the functionality of a conference when it come to expansion. It is the level of "commitment" (leadership, capital, planning, and growth), an institutions has to its athletic programs that usually determine, how much success an institution brings when evaluating its impact on the conference it joined.
I am aware that an athletic program is based on more than two revenue producing sports. My statement was in regards to the competitiveness of the two revenue producing sports of football and football, when comparing the two SWAC programs of Prairie View A & M and Southern.
Are you not stating for a fact that Southern's basketball program is not competitive at the NCAA Division I level at this point in time?
In my opinion the reason is irrevelant.
Yes, we have something to show for our dollars. We earned a SWAC regular season basketball championship for the 2002-2003 season.
That is great fact of SWAC history. I still find it interesting that earlier in your post you stated, "The Swac has to base their decision to expand on present performance not past glory.", but now the history of Southern is relevant to this debate. It is my understanding that Southern has not won titles in all 17 sports during their present perfeormance.
BgJag
Jaguar Nation
Basketball first, our leading scorer from last year went down at the beginning of the season, Jobe 5 jc transfer didn't play this year, that had a lot to do with our demise, but we olayed competitive in this conf. Of our three defeat to the SWAC Champ one was by two point and the other by one. Not bad when you missing 5 players you expected to contribute.
Congrat again on your title but your last one was in 62.
Hope you don't expect us to win all 17 title every year? Posted that to let you know we compete in all sports. Of late we won 7-8 last year and sofar 3 this year and expect to win atleast 2 more before school is out. Our titles in the last two year are more than most of the Swac schools in the last 10 years. Is that present enough for you???????
Jafus (Thinker)
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JROCK,
I would agree that heart is misguied and you are full of false statements and assumptions. But, one thing is for sure. it is obvious that you have not done it ...
(...based your arguments with information supporting your assertion of athletic operating cost, budgets, and revenue for the school year of 2001-2002 (recent past), 2002-2003(present), and 2003-2004 (immediate future forecast), this past year and the present. Since you want to talk about the present complextion of athletics.).
I would agree that heart is misguied and you are full of false statements and assumptions. But, one thing is for sure. it is obvious that you have not done it ...
(...based your arguments with information supporting your assertion of athletic operating cost, budgets, and revenue for the school year of 2001-2002 (recent past), 2002-2003(present), and 2003-2004 (immediate future forecast), this past year and the present. Since you want to talk about the present complextion of athletics.).
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
I'M SURE MSU & USM WOULD BEG TO DIFFER. GOOD LUCK!!!
JROCK
Preeminent
I will end this dialogue because now it is getting into a "tit for tat" demogague fest. My closing thoughts however would be that you certainly dont come remotely close to speaking gospel. Your contention that I am full of "false statments and assumptions" is another lie (characterized diplomatically, earlier as "misguided false statement"). I dont know what type of blood, sweat and tears you have invested in Langston becoming SWAC. It is my OPINION (not assumption or false statement) that it is the epitome of asininity to allow another weak program in the SWAC. Those weak programs currently in the SWAC that I am referring to are PV & APB. You can surely charge that to my mind and NOT my heart.
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