Who’s Better, Norfolk State’s Walley or Jackson State’s Therriault?
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Meh. If that happens, I won't miss the access.
Nonchalant
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Kendrick, there is a whole lot of east coast bias in those polls...especially the Sherridan.
mighty hornet
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:lol::lol:
I don't know about East Coast bias. But I've lamented over the years how I have disdain for polls.
Isn't that what you are doing considering that you have probably never seen Walley play?
jsupop33
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Watched last night.
DAHILL
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thats like somebody from the MEAC saying they saw Casey play against Bama State and throw 7 ints. Come on now pops you played football... I had bigger expectations from you lol
Stop being a homer, Pops. You talk about me cherry picking games. But you have made a determination about Walley after ONE game. I wrote what I wrote after analyzing ELEVEN, and other factors as well.
How would you feel if after throwing a combined eight interceptions against Bama State and SU over a two-week period this season folks would have been saying Casey was overrated or that he sucks?
JSU/99
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We finished 3-7 te year before he arrived. We are 14-4 since then. We scored 30 or more points on offense maybe twice in the 2 years before he arrived, now thats our average. And without even looking at yardage I know we jumped at least 50 spots in the offensive rankings since he arrived. afterthoughts like Anthony Mayes, wilder and Richardson became all swac performers after he arrived. I could go on but you get the picture. You would admit I'm right if it wasn't in your nature to be anti jsu.
JSU/99
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Soggy Ive yet to see whatever scrub y'all throw out against us but I already know he's not on casey's level. Sometimes you don't have to see in Person what you Already know. It only took one game to see walley wasn't even close to Casey. That kid was afraid to throw deep.
Kendrick, you said you analyzed 11 games. Does that mean you watched tape of 11 jsu and norfolk games ? And if so, what was your method of comparison?
Kendrick, you said you analyzed 11 games. Does that mean you watched tape of 11 jsu and norfolk games ? And if so, what was your method of comparison?
I didn't watch the tape of any games to come to the conclusion I did.
If I just wrote Walley is better than Casey because he has a higher completion percentage, QB rating and thrown less interceptions, then that would be silly. I also took in account both quarterbacks entire body of work over the last year and a half as well as how their play affected their respective teams success when it comes to wins and losses and overall offensive production.
Blacknbengal
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End of discussion.
JSU/99
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Obviously your analysis was off. How can you reach the conclusion that Walley is better when Casey dwarfed him in wins and stats? I can see why he has the better completion percentage, he throws screens the majority of the time.
Bighead
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Did you guys changed O.C. though??
you don't give any credit to the O.C. becuz real talk and this is no smack or any the two games he played SU...wasn't nothing dude did...if we had better DBs that year or if they played better in that game...dude could have easily been picked off 4 or 5 times..hell we dropped 3 that game in Jackson...didn't go to the one in B.R. but the local paper didn't make him standout...
That doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong because I didn't watch tape. Have you ever heard of sites like Fan Graphs, Advanced NFL Stats or Cold Hard Football Facts? Those sites use a lot of statical analysis to draw various conclusions about the league, individual players and even teams
It's a good question, and is the exact same question I was asking of you considering that you only saw Walley play last night? You probably didn't know anything about him until yesterday.
crazylegs
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Mane, Y'all funny... *lol*
I think both of them are pretty much on the same level....Both of them are accurate as hell when they have time...Both of them crumble like tissue paper when they have to read any type of zone coverage scheme, or the pass rush starts breathing down their neck. strictly looking at stats is skewed because both squads run air raid/spread offenses that are predicated on passing as much as possible. Casey is prone to force things that aren't there when he gets frustrated. I haven't seen that too much out of the Walley kid and it reflects in his turnover ration and completion percentage.
I would say that Walley has done the most for his squad in the context of where Norfolk was prior to is arrival. Heck, if you wanna be real about it, the 2nd Qb that Bethune uses (kid that transferred in from UMD) is better than both of them...I'm still scratching my head as to why the other kid there is getting as much burn as he is.
As far as OUR qb goes... He's good in the stat that means the most; he WINS GAMES...All that other stuff ain't hittin' on isht... :spin::lol::goof:
I think both of them are pretty much on the same level....Both of them are accurate as hell when they have time...Both of them crumble like tissue paper when they have to read any type of zone coverage scheme, or the pass rush starts breathing down their neck. strictly looking at stats is skewed because both squads run air raid/spread offenses that are predicated on passing as much as possible. Casey is prone to force things that aren't there when he gets frustrated. I haven't seen that too much out of the Walley kid and it reflects in his turnover ration and completion percentage.
I would say that Walley has done the most for his squad in the context of where Norfolk was prior to is arrival. Heck, if you wanna be real about it, the 2nd Qb that Bethune uses (kid that transferred in from UMD) is better than both of them...I'm still scratching my head as to why the other kid there is getting as much burn as he is.
As far as OUR qb goes... He's good in the stat that means the most; he WINS GAMES...All that other stuff ain't hittin' on isht... :spin::lol::goof:
jstate83
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Didn't see anything that made Walley better or worse than Casey. Heard about him last year but last night was the first time I have seen the kid play.
Apples and Oranges + plumbs.
Casey is the Apple and Walley is the Orange.
I'll give Casey the edge because Casey has way more talent - (plumbs)- around him at JSU than Walley has around him a NSU.
Apples and Oranges + plumbs.
Casey is the Apple and Walley is the Orange.
I'll give Casey the edge because Casey has way more talent - (plumbs)- around him at JSU than Walley has around him a NSU.
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Blacknbengal
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Right, but everyone knows Casey from his stats last year with the running in the Walter Payton trophy race and this year with the ESPN.
JSU/99
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New Rule: When a QB accounts for 6 TDs and leads a winning drive against your school in less than 12 seconds , you can't call him anything but a standout.
As for the OC, he deserves some credit, especially last year. But he also deserves some blame. We have a good running game this year that should've been utilized against Bama State.
JSU/99
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Yes and there's a reason for that.
And no it wasn't a good question. That's like people qestioning whether Bruce Eugene was as good or better than Steve McNair based on statistics. If all you go buy is raw numbers then maybe. But for those who know there's no question who was better. More than any other position you should never judge Qbs based solely on stats. That's what Kendrick did and that's why his analysis was fatally flawed.
JSU/99
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And those comparisons never hold up to real life play. That's why guys like Matt Shaub(the king of empty stats) Tony Romo and even Phillip Rivers are considered elite when they probably have 1 playoff win between them.
Football Stats are some of the worst to judge players by with out watching.
Last Week
McNabb runs around completing over 70% of his passes and not turning it over. with a QB rating in the high 90s.but he is on the bench and looked as the reason for the team not losing.
Brady last week probably completed a lil over half of his passes got picked off a couple times with a rating in the 80s...and was still the person that was responsible for the team winnning.
Last Week
McNabb runs around completing over 70% of his passes and not turning it over. with a QB rating in the high 90s.but he is on the bench and looked as the reason for the team not losing.
Brady last week probably completed a lil over half of his passes got picked off a couple times with a rating in the 80s...and was still the person that was responsible for the team winnning.